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Old 03-02-2010, 10:16 PM   #1
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Nadine, the rear engine Honda buggy

I finally decided it was time for my dad to get a rig and so I convinced him to build a buggy. A rear engine one at that.
He decided to name it Nadine for some reason(weirdo). So here it is.

Plans are:

keep it light, hopefully under 2500 lbs
1.5'' Dom
108" wheel base
Dana 44's front and rear (not sure what gears yet)
2.2 L Honda motor from a 1990 Accord w/ an auto trans.
linked front and rear w/ air shocks
37" tires(probably pitbull rockers)

The donor vehicle and tubing for the build.

Engine and transmission removed

Operating in Stealth Mode - checking ther engine clearance with the axles positioned at 108".
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how does a rear engine buggy work if you dont mind me asking. do you run it off the transaxle from the car??
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Saw them build one on Extreme 4X4..those things are killer. If I was doing a rock buggy that would be my choice too.
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how does a rear engine buggy work if you dont mind me asking. do you run it off the transaxle from the car??
Yes the transaxle outputs that were powering both the left and right front wheels of the car are now going to be the front and rear outputs for the drive shafts.

The transmision has a differential in it to allow the two front wheels of the car to rotate at different speeds while turning, exactly like and open diff of a solid axle. So you weld up the spider gears in the differential and there you go, your front and rear outputs.

Most common front wheel drive have a set of gears(1st, 2nd, 3rd...like a rear wheel drive vehicle) as well as a set of planetaries to further reduce the final drive ratio. In a RWD vehicle the differential in the axle plays the same role as the planetaries in a FWD vehicle.

Most hondas have a 3.2:1 first gear with a 4.4:1 Planetary. With 5.38 Gears in the axles this yeilds 75:1 CR or if you believe in the rule of 2 for automatics.....150:1 crawl ratio


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thanks for the info, very cool concept
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Souds really cool lots of pics PLEASE
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Sounds like it's going to be an interesting build.
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I forgot to mention that most honda engines(until the mid 2000's ) rotated counter clockwise facing the pulleys(the opposite of almost all engines, that I know of at least). This means that since the engine is mounted with the pulleys to the rear then the engine rotation will be clockwise while looking from the front of the vehicle, which is the "correct" direction for the axles



Here are some pics of the motor and its mounts.

Rear Mounts



Front Mount


Side Mounts:
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R you using an automatic because thats what you had or thats what you wanted?

R you going to use the car wiring or an aftermarket?

So have you figured an estimate for top speed yet? Just asking some of the good crawling is a couple miles apart up here.

My son is into Honda's (he's got a 2.0 Acura engine in a 97 hatch and it's freeken fast!) I think he would like to help build something like this.
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Yes we are using and automatic because I personally think its eaiser to wheel and a lot more forgiving on a drive train.


I am plaing on using the stock car wiring harness because I cant seem to find an aftermarket harness for both the engine and transmission*****If you know of anyone who does make and aftermarket harness for a 1990 accord PLEASE let me know

with 5.38 gears the top speed is like 35 miles per hour. With that in mind( thanks for bringing it to my attention) I will probably go with a lower gear,to get me a higher top speed. plus for only 37" tires 150:1 crawl ratio is overkill I think.
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Did you try Howell Fuel injection? I don't know if they do they honda's but they make them for a lot of other motors.

So, Are you go to run Drive in Reverse for the lower gearing or just run in drive using 1st etc, etc? I'm really liking your build!
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This is a really cool thread. Hopefully a lot of questions will be answered as this thing progresses!
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Did you try Howell Fuel injection? I don't know if they do they honda's but they make them for a lot of other motors.

So, Are you go to run Drive in Reverse for the lower gearing or just run in drive using 1st etc, etc? I'm really liking your build!
Havnt seen anything on howell

It will use the standard gears(1st 2nd 3rd..) that plus the planetaries in the transmission will be low enough
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Diff, gonna be a cool build guys. Awesome work so far with all the engine mounts.
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Havnt seen anything on howell

It will use the standard gears(1st 2nd 3rd..) that plus the planetaries in the transmission will be low enough
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Yea sorry for the loose wording, I meant i couldnt find any honda wiring harness'


The front axle truss, the rear ended up looking the same


The Harness.
Unfortunately the accords have a transmission computer as well as the engine comp. so that means LOTS more wires, if I ever do this again I wont use accord
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are u worried about being to heavy in the rear while going into a steep climb?
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Yea thats my only fear, Im definitely putting the fuel tank in the front, hopefully that and a suckdown winch will cure that problem.
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Yea thats my only fear, Im definitely putting the fuel tank in the front, hopefully that and a suckdown winch will cure that problem.

yea, that should help, if not, u might put u a spike of some type to put some tractor weights on the frnt wen needed, and wen theyre not needed, just take em off
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