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Old 03-05-2010, 10:10 PM   #26
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that thing looks sicker by the day... looks like it wont b much for leg room tho
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Old 03-08-2010, 08:25 PM   #27
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Heres a a few pics of the front links




I realize the upper link is running through the frame, the frame will be nocthed where the link is. No biggie, the notch piece is already tacked in, I just didnt realize it would be a problem when I bent the main tube.



I also realize that the panhard bar mounts will need some super triangulation and boxing. This is all just tacked in place for mock up.

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Old 03-08-2010, 10:22 PM   #28
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Wow, coming along nicely.

I assume you've seen the Rhino that was somewhat popular a few years ago. A lot like your idea, or vice-versa.
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:46 AM   #29
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wats the update
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Old 03-22-2010, 05:56 PM   #30
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Well i just spent the last week in Moab so sorry for no updates. Here are some pics of the rear links



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so you have to flip the diffs right?
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:08 PM   #32
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so you have to flip the diffs right?


I didnt run in to any trouble with having to flip the diffs on this build. The honda transaxle output will be on the passenger side of the rig. The offset from the centerline of the buggy to the transaxle is about 7 inches which is how much the rear 44 out of a j-10 is offset. So the rear driveshaft is almost a straight shot.

As for the front the drive shaft, it will have to be a two piece with a pillow block bearing so i can make it with a slight bend to meet the front yoke

As for the roatation, honda engine rotate counter clockwise(opposite of chevy, ford, dodge, etc) so with the engine turned backwards it will be the correct rotation with respect to the axles
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Old 03-26-2010, 09:29 PM   #36
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As cheap it was, we decided to go with rear disks, aside from performance, it just looks cool

The brake brackets will most likely be welded on for extra strength and safety



So the brake booster was a little too big to up in the front, so my old man came up with this flipped pedal system with a pushrod. I think it looks cool.







He has it mocked up with pvc for the pushrod but it will be made out of steel in the end.
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:20 PM   #39
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Old 04-12-2010, 08:24 PM   #40
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Progress has slowed, most of those pics I had stockpiled and so now im caught up to the current time with pictures

But we got the seats mounted



My old man is working on mounting up a chevy power steering pump.

Also we are entertaining the idea of running coil springs on the buggy due to budget constraints.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:27 AM   #41
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The old man (me) made some progress over the weekend. I fabricated a mount for a GM power steering pump so that it rotates clockwise while the Honda motor rotates counterclockwise. It is mounted off of the engine mount pads.



I also did some work on the driveshaft to the front axle. I used the same technique as RockApe on his Project Lo-budget Pimpin and cut down the CV to axle adapter and cut it on a lathe so that the yoke from an old chevy drivesahft would fit inside, then welded it while chucked up in the lathe. Did the same for the other end except I used a piece of 2-1/2x.250 DOM tubing. Spun each half in the lathe before mating and saw no appreciable vibration.

The drive shaft from the transmission will go to a pillow block and bearing at the front cross brace. From there it will be a standard type driveshaft to the front axle.

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very cool ideas on the brakes and ps pump, keep the pics coming.
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Starting to look pretty sweet, I like the tube lines alot. I thought the upper/lower 3 link brackets came out looking pretty slick as well. So when are you going to be ready to show us up??
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I haven't finished adding all the bracing. I'm still trying to get the major components located and sized. Plus I am easily distracted.
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We decided to run coils in the rear for now with 16" radflo air shocks up front. Its cheaper in the rear plus i think it will make it a lot more stable.
This spring mounts are just mocked up to test how much they sag under weight. Plus since we know the spring rate we can calculate the rear weight of the chassis



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Cool project. Looks exactly like the one that dude on pirate built for his 7 yr old girl. I still wouldn't ever build a rear engine but the fabrication aspect is very cool. I wonder how the motor oil lubrication will hold up with ascents and descents, I bet the designers didn't think of a motor being backwards and sideways lol.
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Cool project. Looks exactly like the one that dude on pirate built for his 7 yr old girl. I still wouldn't ever build a rear engine but the fabrication aspect is very cool. I wonder how the motor oil lubrication will hold up with ascents and descents, I bet the designers didn't think of a motor being backwards and sideways lol.
You mite look into some baffles in the pan. At least run it a little over full. Hell it would be easy to dry sump it.
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The fabrication aspect is fun as well as cool. There is no reason one cannot create a similar buggy with a front engine. There is one in Tech Offroad that uses a 1.4 L GM setup with the engine in front using the transaxle as the transfer case. It works great.
I am keeping a receipt for ALL the expenses (except for my gas for trips to the hardware store - that would add $10) so I can post the costs when I'm done.

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Update

Here are some updates to the project. I am trying to use as many components from the donor car as possible to keep the cost down. I'm not skimping on utility or safety but there is a compromise on beauty - function over form.
Here is a photo of the accelerator pedal that I took from the donor. I made the cable from a MIG liner and 1/16 aircraft cable. You'll also notice that I corrected the angle of the brake pedal.

At the engine, I used a 3/8 fine thread bolt, drilled a hole to accept the liner and drilled and tapped a hole for a set screw to lock the liner in place. I coupled the the end to the Honda accelerator cable with a swaged thimble. The whole end is adjustable to compensate for slack.

I found a Danfoss orbitor valve on ebay for the hydro steering. It has half the capacity per revolution of the Char-Lynn but the price was right. Besides, my 1965 Rambler American takes 5 turns of the wheel from stop to stop so I'm used to that.

And finally, I have mounted the Radflo air shocks on the front axle.

Besides the steering, I need to finish the drive shafts, put high ratio gears in the axles and build a gas tank to finish the major components.
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