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Old 10-05-2010, 07:51 PM   #1
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Hydo Steering?

Anyone have any info on,

The Trail Gear Rock Assault Hydraulic Steering Setup --Verses the PSC?

Or is there another way that works?

It's time to go full hydro. I have a PSC pump and a assist ram with a drilled Sag box. I got into another spot last weekend that the setup I have just wouldn't turn the 44's.


This is the Trail Gear info: $695.00

It comes with Orbital Valve, Double Ended Ram, and Tie Rod Kit. All you will need is hoses. The orbitals have been built with a return to center function. Most rams on the market only have one rod seal. We started with the primary and secondary rod seal to insure that fluid leakage would never be an issue. We also included two wiper seals in our design to make sure that dirt and debris stay on the trail and don't get into your steering system. In addition, we designed our ram with a Triple Lip Piston Seal for consistent steering with no drift or fluid bypassing the piston.
In true Trail-Gear style we also had to make our ram the strongest on the market, so we added a feature that you will not see on any other ram on the market. We designed ours with a piston wear band and a rod bushing. The bushing allows the rod to absorb much higher side loads. We also machined our piston shaft out of a single piece of 4340 chromoly. Other rams on the market use a two-piece welded or threaded piston shaft that can fail under severe loads.

Our Double Ended Ram and Clevis Kits have a 6", 8", or 10" stroke x 2.25" bore x 1.125 rod. The cylinder has a black zinc-plate finish while the rod has 3/4x16 female threads on each end and is made entirely out of 4340 chromoly material.

The 6 inch ram and clevis kit has 6 total inches of travel and is perfect for Toyota's and narrowed Dana 44's.

The 8 inch ram and clevis kit has 8 total inches of travel and was made to work with Dana 44's and custom length Dana 60 applications.

The 10 inch ram and clevis kit has 10 total inches of travel and is used for buggies and comp rigs with up to 45 degree steering radius.

The Tierod Kit comes with:

(2) Tie rod tubing (100% DOM)
(2) Right-hand threaded rod ends (Chromoly)
(2) Left-hand threaded rod ends (Chromoly)
(2) Right-hand threaded jam nut
(2) Left-hand threaded jam nut
(2) -16 right-hand threaded weld-on bung (Billet)
(2) -16 left-hand threaded weld-on bung (Billet)



This is the PSC Kit: $962.50


This kit features SC2212K steering cylinder w/steering valve that will be 3.5 turns full right turn to full left turn. The kit comes with everything you need, even all the hoses--pump must be purchased separately. Below is a list of all the items in this list. Other parts can be substituted for items in this kit but note there can be some price differences. Please call 817-270-0102 for further help.

Part List: For the PSC kit: $962.00

SC2212K Steering Cylinder
SC14 Clevis Ends
TR100 Tie Rod Kit
FHV-DF125 Control Valve
FHC04.75 Column
MB22 Steering Valve Mount
HK2085 Hose Kit


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I went with the PSC. Their gear is top notch and the customer service is there to back it up. I pretty much ordered the same stuff you did. You can see what I got in my thread.
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I went with the PSC. Their gear is top notch and the customer service is there to back it up. I pretty much ordered the same stuff you did. You can see what I got in my thread.
Does the PSC have a return to center?
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I built mine from scratch and pressed all my fittings. I used a Charlyn orbital from a forklift. Both time's I've set up hydro, I used a single ended ram. The first go round was with an 8x10 ram from TSC and now with high steer, I used a 2.5x8. I have maybe $250 in my steering (which includes hoses, cooler, etc...), if that and it works great. Just a thought. I know the kits out there are nice, but if you're looking to save some cash, this is how I did it. I am using a stock GM pump and I extended the neck for more fluid capacity.
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I built mine from scratch and pressed all my fittings. I used a Charlyn orbital from a forklift. Both time's I've set up hydro, I used a single ended ram. The first go round was with an 8x10 ram from TSC and now with high steer, I used a 2.5x8. I have maybe $250 in my steering (which includes hoses, cooler, etc...), if that and it works great. Just a thought. I know the kits out there are nice, but if you're looking to save some cash, this is how I did it. I am using a stock GM pump and I extended the neck for more fluid capacity.
How big a tires do you have? Does it work really good? I think I could lay my hands on a fork lift O valve and lines arn't a problem.
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I am running 38.5's and it works great. I can put my tires up to a wall, turn the wheel and it will move the truck over. Two of my buddies have had and have a similar setup. They've run anywhere from 39.5's - 44's on 10 bolts, one tons and rocks and have had the same results.
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I spoke with Kevin at PSC today. I have the 2201K ram and it will return to center as long as the steering gearbox is properly set up in its alignment. If the steering gear box pitman is not set up for the correct +3.5/neutral/-3.5 turn, then your ram will be off. No outside sources will be necessary for a centering of the ram.
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Re: Hydo Steering?

Manny you are comparing hydro assist to full hydro.. big difference there. The ram has nothing to do with returning to center, the orbital is what will control that. On assist, whereever the draglink goes , the ram goes, once the positioning is set it stays..

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Manny you are comparing hydro assist to full hydro.. big difference there. The ram has nothing to do with returning to center, the orbital is what will control that. On assist, whereever the draglink goes , the ram goes, once the positioning is set it stays..

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When I spoke with Kevin, I gave him the ram I had and he said that the ram will react to the steering gear box. No orbital was necessary. I asked that specific question. The gear box alignment was the key to the proper alignment of the ram according to him.
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Mike is wanting to go full hydro, he currently has ram assist and is wanting to get away from it as it doesnt suit his needs anymore.
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Have you looked into a P.O.S kit. He goes by Station on pirate4x4. One of the best full hydro guys around.

I built almost my hole setup. Ive been running it for almost 4 years no problems. Well i replace the pump once a year. And mine well turn my 42"s and rocks with one finger almost anytime on the trail.
I running a lg sawgna pump. 2x10 surplus dd ram. But i bought my valve from station. He only has to know your psi and flow rate of your pump and the ram bore dia and stroke. So he can get your turn to center what you want.
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Either way full hydro and hydro assist are 2 different animals.

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I havn't ordered anything from psc but have ordered more stuff from trail gear than I can remember and they have a great tech line. Full hydro should be a big step up from the push pull set-up you've been running. Good luck and keep us posted with what you decide.
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I havn't ordered anything from psc but have ordered more stuff from trail gear than I can remember and they have a great tech line. Full hydro should be a big step up from the push pull set-up you've been running. Good luck and keep us posted with what you decide.


I did notice the Trail Gear ram diamiter is smaller then the PSC. I don't know how much it will effect strength and speed? I was wheeling with Mark Munson this weekend and he's is 1/2 turn lock to lock.................. DAM.


Like I said I dont want to spend more than I have to, But I'll spend what I have to to get it right the first time.


Guess I'll have to call Trial or PSC and get edujumacated.

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My full hydro is 2 turns from lock to lock and I think it's a bit fast. Fine for crawling but anything much over 35mph and it starts gitting sketchy.
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Well I ordered the PCS kit today got it with a 3.5 turn box. The Trail Gear ram was to small in diameter (in my opinion). The tec at PSC said my PSC pump I already have would work fine. I had them delete the line kit (saved $135.00). I also asked about becoming a dealer and got another 10% off for being a repair shop. It should be hear next Tuesday.

Anyone want to buy a steering box/ram assist setup for a chevy? It will work on a 10 bolt, D44or a 6o.

I'll post up the install.
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Well I ordered the PCS kit today got it with a 3.5 turn box. The Trail Gear ram was to small in diameter for in my opinion. The tec at PSC said my PSC pump I already have would work fine. I had them delete the line kit (saved $135.00). I also asked about becoming a dealer and got another 10% off for being a repair shop. It should be hear next Tuesday.

Anyone want to buy a steering box/ram assist setup for a chevy? It will work on a 10 bolt, D44or a 6o.

I'll post up the install.
You made a good choice. I run PSC on my jeep as well on Ed's chevy and the systems have worked flawlessly.

The only key it to put good fluid in the system so you don't fry pumps. We run Amsoil synthetic tractor/Hydraulic fluid and have had great results(no blown pumps and no steering issues)
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You made a good choice. I run PSC on my jeep as well on Ed's chevy and the systems have worked flawlessly.

The only key it to put good fluid in the system so you don't fry pumps. We run Amsoil synthetic tractor/Hydraulic fluid and have had great results(no blown pumps and no steering issues)
Thanks thats the kind of input I was looking for. I talked with the tec at PSC and he said you (could) run trans fluid if you wanted. I think I'll take you advice it couldn't hurt.
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Stuff got here Monday.

Lets see some pictures of your full hydro steering set up.


I'm getting ready to install mine and would like to see some ideas.
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