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Old 03-13-2010, 12:02 AM   #1
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Registering an Antique Vehicle

Why would you want to do this you ask? How about no inspection!

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Originally Posted by http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/vi/Misc/faq/veh_type.htm
Antiques & Classic Registered Vehicles

Vehicles registered as "Antiques" are exempted from the annual inspection. To see the restrictions on the use of antiques or to obtain more information on how to register your vehicle as an "Antique", see the TxDOT website.

Vehicles registered as "Classic" are required to have the annual safety inspection. These types of vehicles are inspected like any passenger vehicle. Certain items of inspection, however, may or may not be required to be inspected, depending on the age of the car. (For example, seatbelts and anchorages are only required if the vehicle was originally manufactured with them.)
or insurance?!!?!

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Originally Posted by http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.502.htm
(2) the motor vehicle is exempt from the insurance requirement because the person has established financial responsibility in a manner described by Section 601.051(2)-(5) or is exempt under Section 601.052.
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Sec. 601.052. EXCEPTIONS TO FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENT. (a) Section 601.051 does not apply to:

(1) the operation of a motor vehicle that:

(A) is a former military vehicle or is at least 25 years old;

(B) is used only for exhibitions, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest and not for regular transportation; and

(C) for which the owner files with the department an affidavit, signed by the owner, stating that the vehicle is a collector's item and used only as described by Paragraph (B);


(2) the operation of a golf cart not required to be registered under Section 502.284; or

(3) a volunteer fire department for the operation of a motor vehicle the title of which is held in the name of a volunteer fire department.

(b) Subsection (a)(3) does not exempt from the requirement of Section 601.051 a person who is operating a vehicle described by that subsection.

(c) In this section:

(1) "Former military vehicle" has the meaning assigned by Section 502.275(o).

(2) "Volunteer fire department" means a company, department, or association that is:

(A) organized in an unincorporated area to answer fire alarms and extinguish fires or to answer fire alarms, extinguish fires, and provide emergency medical services; and

(B) composed of members who:

(i) do not receive compensation; or

(ii) receive only nominal compensation.
What forms do I need to file you ask!

Register your Vehicle as an Antique:
FORM Found here:http://www.txdmv.gov/whatyouneed/for...es.htm#antique

Waiver for Insurance Responsibility:
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/sr-2.pdf

Classic Vehicle Registration (which will allow custome plates, but requires insurance):
FORM

I do NOT recommend driving around w/out insurance on your rig, but if it's pretty much a trail only rig and you would like to be able to drive it 'legaly' to meetings ,truck shows, the trailheads and such the insurance waiver may be what you want.

Colman has informed me that the DMV lady told him he would have to send the Liability Waiver Form to Austin and she didn't know how he was then to get the copy of it to give to the Tax Assesor. I will post up with more info when he finds out.
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been crusin with antique plates for about a year now, but the insurance thing is new to me. would still be nervous about driving it on the highway with no insurance...it could cause alot of damage that i'd be responcible for...
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I plan on kicking this off for my rig pretty quick. I will go ahead and add my rig to my liability ins. w/ USAA as I don't think it should cost too much.
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To qualify for the insurance waiver, you must be able to prove that you have enough assets (cash, stocks, bonds, etc.) to be able to PERSONALLY pay any damage claims that might arise against you. This can be done for any vehicle, not just old ones. It moves all risk from the insurance company to you.

Many large corporations, most (if not all) government agencies, and some very wealthy individuals use the waivers. It's known as "self insuring".

I don't think that many of us would qualify.
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To qualify for the insurance waiver, you must be able to prove that you have enough assets (cash, stocks, bonds, etc.) to be able to PERSONALLY pay any damage claims that might arise against you.

I am not debating that you can do this for all vehicles, but where exactly does it state that you HAVE to do this for an ANTIQUE?

This is the only thing on the ANTIQUE waiver:
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The motor vehicle described as ,_______ , and V.I.N. _________________, Year Make _______________, is a collector’s item 25 or more years old and is used for exhibition, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest and will not be used for regular transportation.
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I think you're reading only the part that you want to see. Without reading all of the various sections referred to (yet omitted) in your original post, there isn't enough information to determine the exact intent of the law. But rest assured, if you drive a vehicle, YOU are responsible for any damages it might cause. Being an antique doesn't somehow magically absolve your responsibility if a wheel falls off and you crash into someone or something.
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Being an antique doesn't somehow magically absolve your responsibility if a wheel falls off and you crash into someone or something.
Yeah, but Barack Obama promised everything would be okay!

Sorry, it was just too juicy to pass up!
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I think you're reading only the part that you want to see. Without reading all of the various sections referred to (yet omitted) in your original post, there isn't enough information to determine the exact intent of the law. But rest assured, if you drive a vehicle, YOU are responsible for any damages it might cause. Being an antique doesn't somehow magically absolve your responsibility if a wheel falls off and you crash into someone or something.
Ok, what am I NOT READING??? Please post the reference to it. I have added the 'part that I wanted to omit' to my OP, but all it deals with is volunteer fire departments and golf carts. It states no where in this paragraph (which is the stated exception to the rule of having to have Insurance) about providing financial responsibility.

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Sec. 601.052. EXCEPTIONS TO FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENT. (a) Section 601.051 does not apply to:

(1) the operation of a motor vehicle that:

(A) is a former military vehicle or is at least 25 years old;

(B) is used only for exhibitions, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest and not for regular transportation; and

(C) for which the owner files with the department an affidavit, signed by the owner, stating that the vehicle is a collector's item and used only as described by Paragraph (B);

(2) the operation of a golf cart not required to be registered under Section 502.284; or

(3) a volunteer fire department for the operation of a motor vehicle the title of which is held in the name of a volunteer fire department.

(b) Subsection (a)(3) does not exempt from the requirement of Section 601.051 a person who is operating a vehicle described by that subsection.

(c) In this section:

(1) "Former military vehicle" has the meaning assigned by Section 502.275(o).

(2) "Volunteer fire department" means a company, department, or association that is:

(A) organized in an unincorporated area to answer fire alarms and extinguish fires or to answer fire alarms, extinguish fires, and provide emergency medical services; and

(B) composed of members who:

(i) do not receive compensation; or

(ii) receive only nominal compensation.
Again, please. If you know of something that I don't, post it so that I can add it to the first post.

(Until proven otherwise, I am going to take the intent of this law to be one that a person who has gone through the process of filing for an antique license plate and waiver of the requirement of liability insurance will be conscious and smart enough to take it easy on the roads and not be the cause of an accident thus truly negating the 'need' for liability insurance.)
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Yeah, but Barack Obama promised everything would be okay!

Sorry, it was just too juicy to pass up!
No, he prommised Change. Unfortunately for me, the pogs they give for change at the PX here are card board, so I don't even have any jingle in my jeans.


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Sorry, but I'm not wasting my time going through all the legalese and backtracking the various circular references. This is America, where you can sue someone for any reason you want to. Driving old junk doesn't make you immune to lawsuits.
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I plan on kicking this off for my rig pretty quick. I will go ahead and add my rig to my liability ins. w/ USAA as I don't think it should cost too much.
mine was listed with USAA as a farm truck less the 100 miles a year it was $17 a month for Ins
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Insurance on my '88 yj is only $175/year. I seldom drive it on the roads but its worth the peace of mind.
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Sorry, but I'm not wasting my time going through all the legalese and backtracking the various circular references. This is America, where you can sue someone for any reason you want to. Driving old junk doesn't make you immune to lawsuits.
That's becuase I have already posted the exception to the rule and you won't be able to prove me wrong.
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mine was listed with USAA as a farm truck less the 100 miles a year it was $17 a month for Ins
I thought they had a 'dirty smellin' goat herder' exemption in their policy...
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I am not debating that you can do this for all vehicles, but where exactly does it state that you HAVE to do this for an ANTIQUE?

This is the only thing on the ANTIQUE waiver:
Ed, could it be you are reading this as OR but you should be reading AND?

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Sec. 601.052. EXCEPTIONS TO FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENT. (a) Section 601.051 does not apply to:

(1) the operation of a motor vehicle that:

(A) is a former military vehicle or is at least 25 years old;
AND
(B) is used only for exhibitions, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest and not for regular transportation; and
AND
(C) for which the owner files with the department an affidavit, signed by the owner, stating that the vehicle is a collector's item and used only as described by Paragraph (B);
Same here:

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The motor vehicle described as ,_______ , and V.I.N. _________________, Year Make _______________, is a collector’s item 25 or more years old and is used for exhibition, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest AND will not be used for regular transportation.
Unless you keep some Shriners in their little mini-cars in your glove box I don't think "but I'm in a parade" is going to be a valid excuse for not providing proof of financial responsibility.

MAYBE you could tell them you are on your way to a club meeting, but I think even that is a stretch.
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I think this is the "insurance waiver" related stuff:
(just other info...not that this applies to the argument )

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Sec. 601.053. EVIDENCE OF FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. (a) As a condition of operating in this state a motor vehicle to which Section 601.051 applies, the operator of the vehicle on request shall provide to a peace officer, as defined by Article 2.12, Code of Criminal Procedure, or a person involved in an accident with the operator evidence of financial responsibility by exhibiting:

(1) a motor vehicle liability insurance policy covering the vehicle that satisfies Subchapter D or a photocopy of the policy;

(2) a standard proof of motor vehicle liability insurance form prescribed by the Texas Department of Insurance under Section 601.081 and issued by a liability insurer for the motor vehicle;

(3) an insurance binder that confirms the operator is in compliance with this chapter;

(4) a surety bond certificate issued under Section 601.121;

(5) a certificate of a deposit with the comptroller covering the vehicle issued under Section 601.122;

(6) a copy of a certificate of a deposit with the appropriate county judge covering the vehicle issued under Section 601.123; or

(7) a certificate of self-insurance covering the vehicle issued under Section 601.124 or a photocopy of the certificate.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an operator who does not exhibit evidence of financial responsibility under Subsection (a) is presumed to have operated the vehicle in violation of Section 601.051.

(c) Subsection (b) does not apply if the peace officer determines through use of the verification program established under Subchapter N that financial responsibility has been established for the vehicle.
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Sec. 601.121. SURETY BOND. (a) A person may establish financial responsibility by filing with the department a bond:

(1) with at least two individual sureties, each of whom owns real property in this state that is not exempt from execution under the constitution or laws of this state;


(shortened) from what I can tell this is a lien against real property you own
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Sec. 601.122. DEPOSIT OF CASH OR SECURITIES WITH COMPTROLLER. (a) A person may establish financial responsibility by depositing $55,000 with the comptroller in:

(1) cash; or

(2) securities that:

(A) are of the type that may legally be purchased by savings banks or trust funds; and

(B) have a market value equal to the required amount.

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Sec. 601.123. DEPOSIT OF CASH OR CASHIER'S CHECK WITH COUNTY JUDGE. (a) A person may establish financial responsibility by making a deposit with the county judge of the county in which the motor vehicle is registered.

(b) The deposit must be made in cash or a cashier's check in the amount of at least $55,000.

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Sec. 601.124. SELF-INSURANCE. (a) A person in whose name more than 25 motor vehicles are registered may qualify as a self-insurer by obtaining a certificate of self-insurance issued by the department as provided by this section.

(b) The department may issue a certificate of self-insurance to a person if:

(1) the person applies for the certificate; and

(2) the department is satisfied that the person has and will continue to have the ability to pay judgments obtained against the person.


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Ed, could it be you are reading this as OR but you should be reading AND?
Sec. 601.052. EXCEPTIONS TO FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENT. (a) Section 601.051 does not apply to:

(1) the operation of a motor vehicle that:

(A) is a former military vehicle or is at least 25 years old;
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(B) is used only for exhibitions, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest and not for regular transportation; and
AND
(C) for which the owner files with the department an affidavit, signed by the owner, stating that the vehicle is a collector's item and used only as described by Paragraph (B);


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Unless you keep some Shriners in their little mini-cars in your glove box I don't think "but I'm in a parade" is going to be a valid excuse for not providing proof of financial responsibility.

MAYBE you could tell them you are on your way to a club meeting, but I think even that is a stretch.
I AM reading those as AND. Would you not call a wheelin trip or an organized club meeting a 'club activity'? I would say that going to get fuel in it could be 'talked through' with an officer if you were stopped.
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I think "functions of public interest" would still be the kicker. I'll just make sure I carry a copy of this thread and when they try to tack "failure to prove financial resposibility" on with my mail fraud charges I'll tell them I don't need it cause Ed said so.
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I've been watching this thread from afar and I've come done to just one question:

Since the reason behind acquiring antique plates is to eliminate the hassle of vehicular inspections, and not the focus of dropping insurance, why would anyone with COMMON SENSE want to drive a vehicle without insurance on it to begin with?
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I've been watching this thread from afar and I've come done to just one question:

Since the reason behind acquiring antique plates is to eliminate the hassle of vehicular inspections, and not the focus of dropping insurance, why would anyone with COMMON SENSE want to drive a vehicle without insurance on it to begin with?
X2, If anyone reading this i actually dumb enough to try and drive w/o insurance I feel for ya.

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