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Old 11-19-2011, 03:51 PM   #1
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Wire rope (winchline)

I thought I would share an old trick I was tought a while back on how to weave and repair wire rope. We used this technique on a daily basis back when I worked on towers. I know a lot of guys are going to synthetic rope and I have nothing against that but there are still a lot of guys running the steel cable so I thought I would share it.

This technique was called a molly hogan and not sure why but that's what the ole timers called it. I think it was because half way through it resembles a girls head with pig tails as you will see. At least thats my guess. lol

Ok first off is to measure around 18-21 inches from the end of the cable and make a mark. This may be a little long but will give you plenty to work with.


Here you can kinda see the different strands of wire. I would say 99% of this style cable is of the 7 strand variety meaning there is a center strand and 6 outer strands that surround it.


Next is to seperate the strands into two sides of 3 and 4.


Go ahead and seperate it all the way down to the mark you made.


Ok here is the tricky part. You are going to take both ends and make a circle or loop and start to weave them back together. It sounds kinda hard but once you mess with it for a second you'll see it's not too difficult.


Go ahead and wrap it all the way back down to the base.


Now take the two ends and start weaving them back together.


Now is the time to install your thimble and slide a wire clip twards the end to take up the slack. I can't stress enough how important it is to use a thimble. It keeps the wire from turning too sharp of corner and becoming a weak link in the wire.


Next put on more wire clips down the line towards the end. Remember to tighten the clips evenly on both sides untill they are tight. There is a saying that you should never sadle a dead horse. What this means is that the short cut off end is the dead end and should never recieve the sadle portion of the wire clip. Only the working or pull side gets the sadle.


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I know a lot of guys just double over the line and use wire clips and thats fine but this is just another way to do it that I feel is a more positive way to fix it. I have also seen guys tie knots in the line. I think these are called monkey fists. I have seen them work but scare the crap out of me. Hope this helps someone out or at least gives you guys a greater understanding of whats going on with your winch line.
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Old 11-20-2011, 07:46 AM   #2
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We have used this method several times on the trail and I must say it works great! Never had one fail and if you don't have clamps some electrical tape will hold the loose end to get ya off the trail. Great write up!
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Cool nice write up too thx for sharing
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A Monkey Fist is a piece of rope, with a rock or steel ball, woven into the end.
Primarily used as a weapon, for smacking someone.



For those times when a bottle or rock-in-a-sock are not convienient.
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A Monkey Fist is a piece of rope, with a rock or steel ball, woven into the end.
Primarily used as a weapon, for smacking someone.



For those times when a bottle or rock-in-a-sock are not convienient.
Good thing my wife doesn't have one of those.


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a thimble , they still make those
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I thought a monkey fist was primarily used by sailors a long time go, to throw ropes from the ship to the pier, to be tied off with.

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I might have my terminology wrong but that's what I've heard it called by two different people. You take the line and tie a granny not in it, then pull it super tight while heating it with a torch. I'll try to find a pic.
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I thought a monkey fist was primarily used by sailors a long time go, to throw ropes from the ship to the pier, to be tied off with.
We used em in the CG as recently as 1989 when I got out. Would imagine they use em now as well? Never thought of using one as a weapon but see how it could put the hurt on someone!!
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Yes sir they do. We were shown destructive testing done on wire rope with and without a thimble and 99% of the time the rope would break where the thimble should have been. It makes the rope turn too sharp of a turn and becomes the weak link. For those who don't have a thimble on your winch they are really cheap and might keep you from having a bad day.


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I would like to know what the knots and heated were called. I work in the wire rope industry and have not come across that one yet. Knots,,,yes, just not heated. You never know what you come across though, always learn something new.
Here is a thimble that would be good and easy for the DIY install,
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I would like to know what the knots and heated were called. I work in the wire rope industry and have not come across that one yet. Knots,,,yes, just not heated. You never know what you come across though, always learn something new.
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Donno. I googled the crap out of it and came up with nothing.

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[QUOTE=Awesome Bill;528273]Donno. I googled the crap out of it and came up with nothing.

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Usta see pole truck drivers tie a knot in winch lines to hold the tail chain on after a break. Never see one heated, I am going to ask some of the old timers at work and see if they heard of that. Also on the wire rope clips, got to watch for the Malleable wire rope clips are for light duty, not over head lifting http://www.chicagohardware.com/catalog/11_Mclips.pdf

A forged wire rope clip is better "never saddle a dead horse" http://www.thecrosbygroup.com/html/en-US/pdf/pgs/34.pdf

A fist grip wire rope clip is easy to use and dont have worry about" never saddle a dead horse" no wrong way to put it on http://www.thecrosbygroup.com/html/en-US/pdf/pgs/35.pdf

Just trying add useful info to your informative post.
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Yep always saw them on pole trucks. I asked him how he got that knot so tight and he told me a lot of tension with a little heat. Either way I would not use it.

Crosby makes good stuff. That's all we used back in the day.

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Yep always saw them on pole trucks. I asked him how he got that knot so tight and he told me a lot of tension with a little heat. Either way I would not use it.

Crosby makes good stuff. That's all we used back in the day.

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That makes more sense now, i guess i miss read earlier posts. ITs crazy now, one company will not let the drivers have swaged button to hold the T/C on. We have to install a thimble size eye(no thimble) with the cable ran through the link of chain. So now in the name of safety you have everything you are pulling on with a foot print the size of the chain link on the cable... yep real smart. Oh well, were selling winch line like crazy due to the requirement, they all break right in the eye.
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