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Old 04-15-2009, 02:59 AM   #1
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The back side of Bull Taco is now IMPROVED, DONT screw it up!
Carnage toll so far....4.3 Chevy and a 35" Krawler
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someone had moved all the rocks out of the way on the backside of bull taco, whatever that trail is called that has the 3' or so drop. Its got some monster rocks to wheel over now, right in the middle of it. The rocks took out my oil pan and a 35" Krawler last night. Hopefully whoever keeps screwing up the trails to make them easy wont have anything big enough to move the rocks that me and Robert put there yesterday.
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someone had moved all the rocks out of the way on the backside of bull taco, whatever that trail is called that has the 3' or so drop. Its got some monster rocks to wheel over now, right in the middle of it. The rocks took out my oil pan and a 35" Krawler last night. Hopefully whoever keeps screwing up the trails to make them easy wont have anything big enough to move the rocks that me and Robert put there yesterday.
I don't think it's so much of people moving the rocks on purpose as
much as gravity and the nature of the trail.....just like most of the river,
that trail rarely stays one way for long...not to mention the weather
having an effect...look at the rockfall over by Widowmaker, and you'll
see what I mean....

Most cats looking for an "easy" line generally do not go down the spot
you are referring to, anyway...that first good drop usually scares 'em off...
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Didn't snap any pics, but as of right now, it's probably the hardest "doable" trail down there. Gravity didn't drag the last rocks down, some person did. I don't think the same will happen now. The new obsticle in the bottom 1/4 of the trail is four times the size of any other rock on the trail.

We're hoping if people can't make the climb, they'll build a bigger rig, not make the trail a highway for every stock rig out there.

EDIT : "doable" means the trails that we regularly hit EVERY time we go down there, including "hang-on hill". This wouldn't include "no-name" or "widow maker"
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We're hoping if people can't make the climb, they'll build a bigger rig, not make the trail a highway for every stock rig out there.
I can't help but be a little amused.....

most "hardcore" guys scorn the idea of rock-stacking....or pulling string...

you guys stacked rocks and now expect everyone to "build their rig"
around your rock arrangement?

Come on back down off the soapbox, man...You can't command people
how to wheel..

..there are PLENTY of hard lines to tear up your rig on
besides BullTaco...

..why not just set up shop and start charging admission to "your trail"?

as to most of the other posts about "hardcore" trails at the river, many
of the guys that run around down there consider anything you can make
it up or over not very "hardcore"....that designation is reserved for trails
that are either darn near impossible or haven't been done fully...

search "No Name"/"Pitbull" and you'll see what I mean....
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I have seen this attitude before....

"if you're not one of the kewl kids in a kewl rig, stay at home"

Basically, that mind set is telling everyone who doesn't wheel like
you and your buddies or have a rig like yours that they shouldn't
be out wheeling at all....ooh,ooh let's segregate the river, that'll
be fun....BS.....are we to assume you started out wheeling in a baddass
rig with all the skills and experience needed? Or, did you learn like
everyone else, maybe even in a stock rig?

I grew up at that river, and I still find new and exciting ways to test my
skills and the pucker factor everytime I go out, even after 20 plus years
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I can't help but be a little amused.....

most "hardcore" guys scorn the idea of rock-stacking....or pulling string...

you guys stacked rocks and now expect everyone to "build their rig"
around your rock arrangement?

Come on back down off the soapbox, man...You can't command people
how to wheel..

..there are PLENTY of hard lines to tear up your rig on
besides BullTaco...

..why not just set up shop and start charging admission to "your trail"?

as to most of the other posts about "hardcore" trails at the river, many
of the guys that run around down there consider anything you can make
it up or over not very "hardcore"....that designation is reserved for trails
that are either darn near impossible or haven't been done fully...

search "No Name"/"Pitbull" and you'll see what I mean....
I never said I was against "rock stacking/pulling string"
I was there myself a few years ago. If I get in a bind now, I'll be the first to holler for a string.The problem is that every trail that challenges the more built rigs inevitably get rocks stacked on them for the less built rigs, AND THEY DON'T REMOVE THEM, making the trail easier. That is the thing that gets me. Here you are griping about us making the trail harder, when ten times as many stockers make the trails easier. We just did the exact opposite of what most people do.
I'm not against stockers wheeling at all, that's where we all start.If your serious about the sport, you'll want to keep building your rig to run progressively harder trails, not make all the trails out there doable in a stock yj.
You're the one on a soap box
And as for no- name, I don't have to look up anything. I've seen it myself many times, and have no desire to tear my rig up on it. It's beyond what I want to wheel, but you don't see me stacking rocks all over the place so I can say I made it up the trail.
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I never said I was against "rock stacking/pulling string"
I was there myself a few years ago. If I get in a bind now, I'll be the first to holler for a string.The problem is that every trail that challenges the more built rigs inevitably get rocks stacked on them for the less built rigs, AND THEY DON'T REMOVE THEM, making the trail easier. That is the thing that gets me. Here you are griping about us making the trail harder, when ten times as many stockers make the trails easier. We just did the exact opposite of what most people do.
I'm not against stockers wheeling at all, that's where we all start.If your serious about the sport, you'll want to keep building your rig to run progressively harder trails, not make all the trails out there doable in a stock yj.
You're the one on a soap box
And as for no- name, I don't have to look up anything. I've seen it myself many times, and have no desire to tear my rig up on it. It's beyond what I want to wheel, but you don't see me stacking rocks all over the place so I can say I made it up the trail.
Yeah, I knew this would go south in a hurry, but,

My complaint is about the fact that you guys are telling me and whomever
else reads this to "leave the trail alone unless your rig is big enough to crawl
up it without moving the rocks"

You seriously consider yourselves "hardcore" because you tore up a 35" tire?
or popped a 4.3?

when you go attack something like No Name and break all your shite, then brag....most likely you'll be made fun of, cause the guys that like to play in there will tell you the same exact crap you are spilling now, "go build your junk bigger/better"....I didn't stack on my two attempts at No Name, but the trail was fun, even with all the damage done-and I learned from it...

yeah, I am on a soapbox now....and some folks, lots of folks are quite
content to wheel stocker or near stock rigs because that's all they can afford
or really want...and NOBODY gets to tell them or me or you how to wheel and especially which trails to wheel .....THE RIVER IS STILL PUBLIC......
you are not, nor are your buddies "Trail Boss" over the Canadian

You guys have a lot of nerve to come on here and start bossing folks around
about trail use....I am personally offended, and I imagine some others are as well
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I'm not against stockers wheeling at all, that's where we all start.If your serious about the sport, you'll want to keep building your rig to run progressively harder trails, not make all the trails out there doable in a stock yj.
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So, what if some guys come in with 52's and 2.5 tons and put a bunch
of 6' or 8' rock chunks in there...you gonna ***** 'cause you can't wheel it?

Pull string?

MOVE the rocks?

make new lines?

Build a bigger better faster cooler rig to make it over 'em?


Are you getting my drift yet, sport? I don't care how hard or easy the trail is or made it that way.....I do care when someone starts telling people what to do
just because they think they know better.......I wheel that trail darn near everytime I go out, and it changes darn near every time..if someone leaves a pile of rocks behind making the trail "too easy" for you "hardcore" wheelers, then just unstack
the damned things...my lands, you act like you're the only ones out there with any
"real wheelin'" to do....

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You guys have a lot of nerve to come on here and start bossing folks around
about trail use....I am personally offended, and I imagine some others are as well
There's where you're wrong. I made no such comment.
I merely said I "hope" people will build a bigger rig.
You're putting words in my mouth. I merely stated the reasons behind dragging some bigger rocks into the trail. I guess you don't have a problem with people stacking rocks to make the trail easier, but when we try to make it harder, you get pissy.
You need to realize that My comments and wild willys are from two different people.
You're right about the river being public property. I have just as much right making it harder as you do stacking rocks making it easier.
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You need to realize that My comments and wild willys are from two different people.
You're right about the river being public property. I have just as much right making it harder as you do stacking rocks making it easier.
I was to understand you guys were wheeling together that day......

I am not "pissy" about the ease or difficulty of said trail....

I have NOTHING against stacking, pulling string or re-arranging rocks..

Do what you like with the rocks, make it hard or make it easy...

Just don't tell people where they should or shouldn't wheel...EVEN if you
do it by "hoping they build bigger/better" rigs....
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We're hoping if people can't make the climb, they'll build a bigger rig, not make the trail a highway for every stock rig out there.
here ya' go....seems pretty concise to me....you sure didn't say,
"man, I would love it if...." or "Gee, wouldn't be nice if only..."
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Yeah, I knew this would go south in a hurry, but,

My complaint is about the fact that you guys are telling me and whomever
else reads this to "leave the trail alone unless your rig is big enough to crawl
up it without moving the rocks"

You seriously consider yourselves "hardcore" because you tore up a 35" tire?
or popped a 4.3?

when you go attack something like No Name and break all your shite, then brag....most likely you'll be made fun of, cause the guys that like to play in there will tell you the same exact crap you are spilling now, "go build your junk bigger/better"....I didn't stack on my two attempts at No Name, but the trail was fun, even with all the damage done-and I learned from it...

yeah, I am on a soapbox now....and some folks, lots of folks are quite
content to wheel stocker or near stock rigs because that's all they can afford
or really want...and NOBODY gets to tell them or me or you how to wheel and especially which trails to wheel .....THE RIVER IS STILL PUBLIC......
you are not, nor are your buddies "Trail Boss" over the Canadian

You guys have a lot of nerve to come on here and start bossing folks around
about trail use....I am personally offended, and I imagine some others are as well


So hes proud of his acomplishment and hes braggin on the forums.Thats what we(Wheelers)do.If ya want to move the rocks to get up...Move em...if ya want more rocks on the trail put more on.Enjoy it while we got it.Maybe your just still a lil bitter bout the time wildwilly called you a dipsh*t and trying to it up.Who knows?? But everyones gonna move rocks or put rocks on the trail to test there rigs.I rather be waiting at the top than at the bottom.And I'd rather have hellswrath waiting at the bottom.If I have to stack bigger rocks so wraths rig cant make it up and mine can so be it.
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What if I owned a business?

What if you had to climb 50 stairs to get in?

"Well, we are just hoping that those people that can't walk the stairs
don't go and complain because we didn't build a freakin' wheelchair ramp.."



It's called discrimination........oops....now all my little green squares went red...

oh, well...let 'em brag all they want, that's fine....I just can't stand the
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God forbid my "hopes" get you upset.

I truly see why the rest of the board calls us the drama section.
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EZ, you can make this thread into whatever you want, like I said before, you are putting words into my mouth. I'm no better than any other wheeler at the river. I just wanted a little harder trail, plain and simple.I just thought I'd post up on this thread about the new trail. I'm through arguing about it.
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EZ, you can make this thread into whatever you want, like I said before, you are putting words into my mouth.
So, we see that you still are missing my chief complaint.....

I did not put words into your mouth, I quoted you and Willy EVERY time..
I apologize for any mis-understanding, as I didn't mean to argue, either...
I simply meant to showcase your and Willy's seeming attempt to "restrict"
access of the "new trail" to "lesser built" rigs....


How would you feel if some of your other favorite "challenging" trails
were made too difficult for guys like you?


And the folks who did so, got on here and bragged, then told you you and your buddies that you need to build up your rides in order to play on those trails?
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So hes proud of his acomplishment and hes braggin on the forums.Thats what we(Wheelers)do.If ya want to move the rocks to get up...Move em...if ya want more rocks on the trail put more on.Enjoy it while we got it.Maybe your just still a lil bitter bout the time wildwilly called you a dipsh*t and trying to it up.Who knows?? But everyones gonna move rocks or put rocks on the trail to test there rigs.
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I apologize for any mis-understanding, as I didn't mean to argue, either...
I simply meant to showcase your and Willy's seeming attempt to "restrict"
access of the "new trail" to "lesser built" rigs....


How would you feel if some of your other favorite "challenging" trails
were made too difficult for guys like you?

There again, We are two different people. I never made ANY such comment.
I'd be all for making the trails more challenging. If I can't make the majority of the trails on my Toyota axles, it would make me go with one tons, if that's what's keeping me from doing them.

You're trying to pick a fight with the wrong person. I'm not against anyone wheeling, in fact, I'm for more people getting into the sport. If you have a beef with Laramie, so be it. I haven't implied ANY of the things you accuse me of.You're assuming way too much of what I think.
I've said my piece, and won't post on this thread again.
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We're hoping if people can't make the climb, they'll build a bigger rig, not make the trail a highway for every stock rig out there.
Hey, don't have to respond, but there is what YOU said.......

"We're hoping..." YOUR words, man.......posted by YOU at 3:40pm

Were you speaking for Laramie, if not yourself?

I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone, nor argue....but your repeated
attempts to draw attention away from what YOU said are right there....

Now I get to look stupid for disagreeing with what he AND you wrote, well
that's fine with me..I seem to have a knack for pissing everyone off with
my opinions, and thank God I live in the USA, which allows me to speak my mind...but, my opinions are just that, opinions....and I happen to disagree with both of you guys on your attitude towards the matter at hand...
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