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Old 12-01-2008, 05:58 PM   #1
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Bronco torque converter swap...

Good idea or bad idea on an overdrive tranny in a Bronco?


I've had this thing bugging me since two weeks after I bought the truck. It's a shudder problem that apparently occurs a lot in Ford's transmissions, according to those that work on the things. Now, my problem is that I don't have the nearly $2k for a complete tranny rebuild. But, I'm afraid of doing more damage, if I havn't already, to the crank. My harmonic balancer is working overtime.

Reason I havn't changed it before is that some mechanics have told me that it's likely to blow some sort of seals in the tranny. Others have said it's not very likely. The transmission otherwise seems very strong, doesn't overheat or burn fluid, and doesn't slip. When running codes, it has occasionally thrown one that says, "Excess Torque Converter Slip", but not often. The shudder is almost continuous these days whereas it used to go away when coasting or accelerating.
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Old 12-01-2008, 08:56 PM   #2
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Unless it's the case of the torque converter then I would think you are wasting your time cause if it's internal then you are missing pieces and where are those pieces.

Also I never heard of this problem. Might try checking your torque converter bolts first and make sure non are loose.
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That's an easy fix. Just trade it in for anything but a ford.
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Hell, the thing's grown on me. I really didn't care much for it at first, but I've come to an agreement with it. I refuse to tinker with it and keep it stock, it continues to get me where I need to go. So far I've had a few little fixes with it (after I figured out it was the tranny giving me fits) but nothing real major.

My original quest on the tranny involved me changing darn near every rotating part in the driveline. Completely replaced all the bearings, u-joints, and just about anything else I thought could rattle. It feels like you're driving down a washboard, only on the highway. And, it only happens in final gear and OD. Took it over to A1 tranny and had it emptied and added a shudder fix, that helped for a couple months. He told me then that I needed a whole new transmission. Or, I can keep changing the fluid and filter (about twice a year now). If it didn't hold 15 quarts of fluid and cost a $40 filter, it might not be so bad.

Funny thing is though, the more I tow with it, the better it does. That's all fine and good but I get tired of dragging that trailer around all the damn time. I can't see it "coming apart" inside, as there's no crud and the fluid comes out almost the same color as the new I put back in. Some say it has to do with the lockup function, but I've read so much on the subject who the hell knows. If there was a better fluid, I'd go that route.

I've read different suggestions, and they all have their haters. I had a tranny temp gauge installed until last month when I killed the line after pulling the radiator (harmonic balancer died). The "new" one is already making noise. The temps never got out of hand, and like I say the performance isn't suffering. I'm just darn tired of my *** jiggling all the way to Brownwood and back every month...it does enough of that on it's own.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:02 AM   #5
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. I'm just darn tired of my *** jiggling all the way to Brownwood and back every month...it does enough of that on it's own.


I'm sorry but I had to laugh..

have you been to www.fullsizebronco.com they would probably tell you exactly what it is.
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sounds close to what you have,

http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/show...tion+overdrive

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Cody, your second link above (and thousands like it I've found) is the most accurate description of what's going on. Problem is, everyone says change fluid/filter and add the modifier or some similar product.

It's not just in Broncos. Mustangs, Crown Vics, T-birds and pretty much any other Ford vehicle that used these trannys can have the same issue. At transmission shops, and the dealerships, they wait for you to say the magic word "shudder" before they'll offer to help. A shake, shimmy, vibration, etc. all leads them to tell you that the problem is elsewhere.

In my quest, I rebalanced the tires first. Then went hunting wheel bearings. Then replaced a rear axle and freshened the rear diff. After that came each u-joint starting at the back and working all the way forward, one at a time to try and find the vibration. At that point I gave up and took it to Messer. $87 later, and the tech told me he didn't find any vibrations--so I made him get in the truck and go for a ride. We hit the loop and I made it "appear". He looks over at me and says, "Oh, that's not a vibration. That's a shudder. I was waiting for something else. It did that already..." When I dropped him off, I told the service manager I wanted my money back or I was going to stop payment on the check. He agreed, I left, and I'm still stuck with the "shudder". Lol.

Anyway, what's your opinion on just replacing the converter? Could it do more damage than good, or could I just be pissing in the wind some more?

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If you replace it before the internal deteriorates then you should be fine. But make sure you get the right converter for that tranny and change the seals while it is out.
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