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Old 05-06-2011, 02:39 PM   #1
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LS Motor build

Okay so someone mentioned in my
4.8 towing thread something about a motor swap witch got me thinking.....

I've been doing some research and I want to build a 5.7l ls motor that will put down between 350 and 375 rwtq I am going to build the motor and then drop it in all at one time so I have no down time. So what do you guys think of this setup?

-5.3 block bored out to accept ls1 pistons
-ARP head studs and rod bolts
-5.3l heads, with a small port and polish and z06 springs
- TR Old man truck cam, 214/220 .600/.523 115lsa
-long tube headers, Ory pipe

So what do you think? Is it doable? If I can't make those numbers with this combo I'm thinking maybe a 50 to 75 shot of nitrous? Basically a sleeper truck.

I will do all the supporting mods at the time that the motor goes in.

Let me know what you think.

Any tips on building an ls motor will be greatly appreciated.
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Go to ls1tech.com and sign up on their performance truck section. All your answers will be answered.
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Will do. Was just wondering if anyone here new much about ls motors. I always ask here first and branch out.
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You can reach your HP goal with a take out ls1 from a vette/fbody with a good tune and couple bolt ons.
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You can reach your HP goal with a take out ls1 from a vette/fbody with a good tune and couple bolt ons.
He's not gonna get the torque he wants out of an LS1. The 6.0 can be found for next to nothing now a days. If it was me I would run a 5.7 block with milled 5.3 heads and a truck intake. My heads/cam and all bolt on camaro dynoed 422 at the wheels. That was an aggressive cam and full exhaust. Gonna be hard to pull those numbers out of a truck because of the drivetrain parasitic loss. With list you put up you should have a strong running truck. I'd say a solid high 13 second truck.
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You know what I meant to type rwtq and not rwhp.

I'd rather stay away from aluminum block Incase I do use nitrous and they have a hefty price tag compared to just a long block 5.3.
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I used to spray 200 all day long on my stock aluminum block.
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He's not gonna get the torque he wants out of an LS1. The 6.0 can be found for next to nothing now a days. If it was me I would run a 5.7 block with milled 5.3 heads and a truck intake. My heads/cam and all bolt on camaro dynoed 422 at the wheels. That was an aggressive cam and full exhaust. Gonna be hard to pull those numbers out of a truck because of the drivetrain parasitic loss. With list you put up you should have a strong running truck. I'd say a solid high 13 second truck.
Just curious but how is parasitic loss any different from a car to a truck? Didn't the ls1 come with a 4l60e? I just don't see how it would be different on a rwd car and truck. I know there is a weight difference and is that what causes more loss?

Don't take this as argumentative I'm just trying to learn.

Honestly I think I would be happy with anywhere from 325 to 350 rwtq. Anything over that would jus be gravy.
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I used to spray 200 all day long on my stock aluminum block.
Nice. Was that 422 on all motor?

I just don't see the 65lb difference in an aluminum block vs a cast iron block making that much difference in a truck.

And yes all I'm looking for is a good running truck that can whoop Mustangs and hemi dodges.
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Your driveshaft is gonna be longer and heavier. That's where parasitic loss comes into play. My dyno numbers were all motor, and only done for the dyno tune. In another car I built a stock ls1 block with 5.3 heads milled for more compression, a lunati cam, and simple bolt ons. That one dynoed 380 to the wheels n/a. The 422 was all done by MTI. beating stangs and hemis is gonna be easy with your truck. Do your bolt ons and add a 100 shot for plan b.
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Get a 5.3 put on a ls6 intake and cam. Gobs of power little modification.
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Your driveshaft is gonna be longer and heavier. That's where parasitic loss comes into play. My dyno numbers were all motor, and only done for the dyno tune. In another car I built a stock ls1 block with 5.3 heads milled for more compression, a lunati cam, and simple bolt ons. That one dynoed 380 to the wheels n/a. The 422 was all done by MTI. beating stangs and hemis is gonna be easy with your truck. Do your bolt ons and add a 100 shot for plan b.
I see. That make sense about it being longer and the weight. Didn't think about that.

So if I took a 5.3, bored it to 5.7, milled the heads and added a cam I could reach my goals?
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turbo the 5.3 and be done with it.
If I could afford it I would. I want to build this motor over the next year and a half so I can afford to upgrade it where needed.
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Sorry, but "parasitic" loss is going to be minimal between a car and a single cab swb truck. The biggest issue is traction and then lack of aerodynamics. Get that truck to hook up and you wont miss the couple horse difference if the same setup was in a car. Whooping a rustang, rx, camaro or ricer in a truck is a great feeling. It won't take much to hit your goals.
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Sorry, but "parasitic" loss is going to be minimal between a car and a single cab swb truck. The biggest issue is traction and then lack of aerodynamics. Get that truck to hook up and you wont miss the couple horse difference if the same setup was in a car. Whooping a rustang, rx, camaro or ricer in a truck is a great feeling. It won't take much to hit your goals.
Yeah I guess the extra 1500-2000 pounds won't matter.
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6.0L with 6.2 heads and a decent cam. Did this setup in a 72 lwb chevy full bodied pickup and ran an 11:85 on pump gas. It was a carbed setup, but with a little tuning you could yield the same results from fuel injection. Also ran it in a mud truck with 54's and it did great in that too. Basically just copied this setup...http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...ads/index.html
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Yeah I guess the extra 1500-2000 pounds won't matter.
I believe he is referring to the parasitic loss. Not the complete weight of the truck. There is no way around that 1500-2000.
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6.0L with 6.2 heads and a decent cam. Did this setup in a 72 lwb chevy full bodied pickup and ran an 11:85 on pump gas. It was a carbed setup, but with a little tuning you could yield the same results from fuel injection. Also ran it in a mud truck with 54's and it did great in that too. Basically just copied this setup...http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...ads/index.html
Wow. That is impressive. With that bigger cam they are putting out 400tq at 2200 rpm.
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Why couldn't I do both? Lol
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More than likely I will do some basic towing mods to this truck for the time being( tranny cooler, brake controller, etc) and then drop this motor in when it is no longer a dd. By that time I will be out of school and able to afford the cummins I really want and this will just be a toy.
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I'm still going to push that converter for towing,your truck will not work as hard taking off from a dead stop.You can not deny the benefits of torque multiplication. on new trucks it is nothing like it was with old school vehicles. if I did not know better I would not even know it was in there except for it hauls *** now.
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Yeah turbos not in the budget. A 6.0 maybe but not a turbo.
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