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Old 03-20-2010, 05:50 PM   #1
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Most cost effective 5.7 vortec harness?

Ok, I need help. Fixing to dive into putting a vortec in my rig. All wiring in truck is done by me with 9 relays and a painless TBI harness and motor. That will be for sale after this mod is complete. I heard that some people can make a factory harness work. I would like info on this and getting computer programmed.
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I used a factory harness for a while. 2 yrs. It ran fine. Install all four o2s you don't need the cats. The down stream o2s are just to reed how the cats are working. I am still running the stock computer never did anything to it. I did install a harness I bought from Street and Performance, it didn't run any different just had less wires to contend with. I don't know if things have changed, but the Vortec harness was the most expensive harness I have looked at or bought mine cost $750.00 3-4 years ago. (I am running the
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Howell Fuel Injection, for the same price as painless you send them your computer they send you a new hopped up computer and a plug and play harness. I've seen them and installed them and ran them and it's worth every penny.
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i'd say drive either to childress or to amarillo, and find u a harness in a junk yard, but thats just my .02
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I have a the stock harness. Under the hood only!! No in dash fuse panel. Is this enough to get me going. I would like to have my harness trimmed up with a scan output and dummy light. Does anyone know who does this?
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I have a the stock harness. Under the hood only!! No in dash fuse panel. Is this enough to get me going. I would like to have my harness trimmed up with a scan output and dummy light. Does anyone know who does this?
You mite want to see if you can find the other side of the stock harness.
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I know this about a harnesses. But what about just buying a edelbrock intake that fits your t/body to the vortec heads.

Vortec injection is better for street not offroading. There not that much difference in power. I mean there is but a cam and chipped computer is still way cheaper. And a tbi is just so simple to work on and you only need 4 sencers to run.
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I agree. The TBI is a whole lot easier. And I have figured up cost of intakes and bs. Even TPI setup for it. But yesterday talked to a guy that will redo my harness (like it is) put the ALDL connector and dummy light, trim, label, ready to go for $275 and do all the ECM programing for $100. So for $375 and some shipping, fuel pump I should be running a vortec. I have run a TBI for a very long time. I think a quadrajet runs a lot better than TBI and can handle a decent angle. But drive on my side a lot and a carb will never cut it. I think I will try this vortec on my next rig update. Wich will include 4 link front and losing all bent sheet metal.
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Those are good prices. Go for it.
But ive never seen a tbi cut out on it side or even on it lid. If you have a good fuel pick in the tank.

Does he do any tbi stuff. I need some computer work done on mine.
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Stock for stock, vortec injection is a lot better than TBI and it's not that much more complicated. There are a few more sensors, but nothing extreme. If you can understand how TBI works you can figure out the Vortec system.

I'm not understanding how a Vortec is no good for off road use. It's design actually makes it great for off roading.
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Dont want to have pissin match but this is my .02cents worth.

A rule of thumb i learned along time ago. Simple works when offroading.

I would reather keep 4 sensors in my trail bag. 5 if you want to keep a spare computer. Unlike 7 or 8 for vortec. Like all the o2 senors are a pain to check and arent cheap. And if your run the spider type vortec injection. Then bad boys dont like offroading at all and there pricey to replace.
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go with the marine intake then and cut out some of those sensors and go to an external injection rail

i'm actually about to do the same thing but because i'm gonna buy a ht 383 gm performance stroker and i need an external rail so i can change injector sizes
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A few extra sensors is no big deal to me. I know how to work on it and what everything is. Even the simplest setup can fail.
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A few extra sensors is no big deal to me. I know how to work on it and what everything is. Even the simplest setup can fail.
I agree with you anything can fail. I have a vortec in my 66 wagon no problems 5 years.
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Dont want to have pissin match but this is my .02cents worth.

A rule of thumb i learned along time ago. Simple works when offroading.

I would rather keep 4 sensors in my trail bag. 5 if you want to keep a spare computer. Unlike 7 or 8 for vortec. Like all the o2 senors are a pain to check and aren't cheap. And if your run the spider type vortec injection. Then bad boys dont like offroading at all and there pricey to replace.
I'm not trying to pick a fight.

Let talk like this is a friendly conversation.

I want to know what's the problem with a vortec and off road?

What problems have you seen or heard of.

You only need 2 o2s. 2 are to tell the comp. how the cats are working and nothing more. If you do run all 4, they are all the same so 1 spare should be fine.

I do agree simple is sometimes better but if thats true put the carb back on.

The vortec is a much better injection system due to the Mass Air flow sensor.
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How about we drag to are own post. And not mess this guy topic up.
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How about we drag to are own post. And not mess this guy topic up.
On second thought this post is about using a Vortec in his rig he might want to know why he should use it.

So again I ask whats the bad?

What do you think Floyd4runner don't you want to know if your going to put something in thats not going to proform well??

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Talking votec vs tbi

First off, I have never had the tbi let me down. Eccept far the last motor I put in. That,s a story I will rant about later. Just remember if u put a TBI intake on make sure and use the intake gaskets for a TBI!!! Next off, what marine intake? And is it more than my whole damn rig? Next, I unserstand the simplicity of a TBI, but like I said I think a quadrajet has more balls. I want quick, snappy throttle, just going off of spec sheets a vortec has twice the pony,s and great torque #'s. In my opinion I think that this would be a great setup, done right. No emmisions, two 0 2 sensors no nock, no cats, headers,??? Anyway the guy I talked too is at enginewiring.com in PA. Sounds like a stand up guy. Although the other option is howell $500 for harness,$200 for there own pcm. Wich I'm guessing is a badass. I can't decide on the cheap to get running or just wait a little while and go with howell? Btw I like the conversion on TBI vs Vortec. Have driven both in pickups not in rigs. But a pickup with a vortec is awesome and I'm not a hotrodder but I like to have it if I need it. Ps, you always need it about 2:30am on the last day and you don't care if you have to drag it back on the trailer!
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Man go for the vortec if you can get it done for them prices you've posted.

And the boat intakes you can find them on e-bay. Most go for less then 2 bills.

When i rebuild my motor tbi 4.3 v-6. Like my buds that dynoed around 300hp. But he's a old school 3.8/4.3 engine gearhead.

Im going old tbi block stronger lower end
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and a cam that a bud found that works with the stock ecm's
and turn out some good mid range to upper range power. And it takes the tbi lag out.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:30 AM   #23
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poppet solution

Found a place for conversion from csfi to mpfi. It replaces the intire fuel spider with a new one. Eliminates central inj and poppets. Has new injectors that fit into the poppet holes. So a vortec multi port for around $437 I think. Have read that GM offers this kit also and if bought seperatly u can get save. But I can't seem to find that one. This made up my mind to run the vortec. And will probably install it like it is and if I have trouble with the poppets I will change it then. Rather than retrofitting another intake and buying high dollar injecters. What do ya'll think?
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Find the part numbers for the updated injectors and go to gmpartsdirect.com. I did the conversion on my 4.3 and I think it was around $300. You will need the injector assembly and the mounting bracket.

Unless you plan to do some major power mods I wouldnt bother with the marine intake. I've seen a 400 horse 350 running the factory injection, so there is room for some extra power.
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Thanks. I'm having trouble finding the part #'s on it. But like I said I'll probly wait to do it. I was just happy that I had someway to make it what I wanted before I did the swap. Or if I should go with another type of engine at the first. But I think this will be a good choice for my next engine
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