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Old 11-21-2010, 08:19 PM   #1
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Toyota tranny problem

I was driving down a steep hill out at the river Saturday. My my yota died (because the old 20R is wore out and does that sometimes). I pushed in the clutch and rolled about 20 ft before I stopped. Started it back up and put it in 1st gear and nothing. I checked to see if I knocked it the tcase into neutral and still won't move. I tried ever gear and pushing it a little and it won't go into gear. I mean, It will shift up and down like it's going into gear but does move, make a sound. Just like it's in neutral. What is wrong? I got another trans but I was wondering what the hell happened. Something would usually grind. Is the shifter mechanism broke and acts like it's in gear but isn't really shifting anything?
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:24 PM   #2
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If you can physically feel it go into gear then it is either a broken input, output, or a clutch problem.

Pray for the clutch senerio (sp?) when you tear it apart.
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I assume its a L43. I never had that happen to me.
Wish I had some info for you.
My suggestion get wide of it and get a L50 or L52. Same lenght as the for speed and has fifth gear. Bolts right in but may require a little cutting around the shifter.
Of the two the L52 is stronger.
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Snick has a point. Could be the out put shaft on the t-case.
Looks like he's been reading up on the Yoda forums.
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Check the clutch arm/slave cylinder...I think I had the little rod on the slave cylinder get cockeyed where it kept the clutch pushed before...think the slave cylinder had come loose. just something to check.
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Snick has a point. Could be the out put shaft on the t-case.
Looks like he's been reading up on the Yoda forums.
I wouldn't go that far vato.

A manual tranny works the same so matter what it's in or who made it.
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If it was a clutch wouldn't it grind when I'm trying to put it in gear?
You really can't physically feel it go into gear, the shifter just goes all the way into gear.
If it's the input, wouldn't that make a noise too?
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Broken shifter or shift fork?
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Re: Toyota tranny problem

Have you looked at the side shifter bracket and rod? Have someone shift it for your under the truck. Engine off of course. Same with pushing in the clutch.
If it was a clean break where the t-case meets the transmission their might not be no noise.
Aside from pulling the transmission. Maybe pull the t-case first. If the t-case checks out by putting it into 2wd spinning the rear flange looking at the out put shaft.
Move on to the transmission. Shift it into first gear truck on and look at the cuppler to see if it spins at the rear of the transmission. Careful with the cuppler it can fall out or if you wish to remove it. Take note of which way it goes back in.
With the l43 I've read that the shift fork breaks inside the transmission. I think Marlin. Crawler sales a replacement one.
Keep us posted on your findings. I'm curious to see what the problem was.
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The friction material in the clutch of my grandfathers old ford up and went one day like what you are describing. Driving along just fine, stop for gas and then nothing. It was in permanent neutral.
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I am thinking clutch too from the way it was described...motor stalled, depressed clutch to roll...then nothing? Does not seem to be a 'breaking' point IMO. Everytime I have broke something it was kinda obvious. Or maybe the shifter/shift fork took a dump..how is the actual movement of the shifter? like more or less throw than before?
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Being the the rod is mounted on the side. I doubt their will be any difference on the play of the shifter. When I Burnt my clutch blue. I still had enough to get it on the trailer at 4 thousand rpms. Have you tried that? First gear easy on the gas to see if it moves.
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Just meant if something had come loose might have a different travel or feel.. any cooked clutch smell when trying to move it? Hope you figure it out... I am curious what it is.
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I'm telling you nothing is different. It shifts the same (it was like stirring soap anyways). No clutch smell. I've tried having my friend shift it while I was under it and looked fine. I tried everything! Shifting it while running, off, Pushing so hard on the shifter it almost bent it. I can feel the tcases go into gears. It's like a permanent neutral.

I have a W56 to go into it. Just figured I would ask the experts. I don't know much about manuals. I've rebuild a lot of autos.
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That's what I put in mine (w56). Aside from the drive shaft having to be redone. The cross member was also moved back about 4"
I like it. Less slop the the side shift L43. I did run a L50/52 for a few years it bolted right...no mods.
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That's what I put in mine (w56). Aside from the drive shaft having to be redone. The cross member was also moved back about 4"
I like it. Less slop the the side shift L43. I did run a L50/52 for a few years it bolted right...no mods.
What other mods besides the drive shafts and crossmember did you have to do?
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I also used the w56 throw out bearing and pitch fork. A 1982 clutch slave cylinder and rod. The 1980 starter does bolt up to it. But I went ahead bought the smaller 1982 starter. The speedometers cable will reach if you undo the tabs that hold it to the bottom of the cab. I also extended the reverse light wire and. 4x4 wire. From personal experience I replaced all flanges off the tcase to the larger 10mm ones. Same with diffs. I kept busting the bolts on the drive shaft up front. Clearanced around the tunnel.
I'm running duel cases...so the wires might not apply for you.
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I'm running dual cases. I have no wires so that isn't a big deal. I'm also rebuilding a new 22RE block and keeping propane to put in it, so at the same time I'll put the W56 in with it. I guess when I pull the tranny I'll tare it down and see what's up. It's got to be simple.
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Broken shifter or shift fork?
I think that's got to be it.
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Ok, Update,
I pulled the tranny today. Found that the clutch was stuck in the disengaged position. If that makes sense. Had no pressure on the plate and so it was like I had the pedal pushed down. The clutches were broken into little pieces. The tranny is still in mint condition. I pulled the shifter plate off and inspected it. Looked good for 250K miles on it.
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Cool beans, glad it's going to be an 'easy' fix!
I putting in a W56 anyways with the new motor, so it didn't matter.
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Your going to love the 56. Less play in the shifter and fifth gear if your geared right. I used my Trailgear skid plate. I used square u bolts hanging down from the chassis between the body. Lifted the skid plate up and bolted it down. Took a cut off wheel and cut the u bolts down. That was a quick fix. I haven't got hung up on them yet. If you need pics let me know.
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Mine broke, doubler setup while backing off a hill, well rolling off it and going from reverse to froward. No noise just motor reving.
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I bet money. Your input or output broke.

Mine broke, doubler setup while backing off a hill, well rolling off it and going from reverse to froward. No noise just motor reving.
Ill bet you a $100 that was not his problem.







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