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Old 04-08-2012, 10:21 PM   #1
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Transmission Question

2 questions really... first is what do ya'll prefer on your offroad vehicle, standard or automatic and why? Second question is how hard is it to convert an automatic to a standard? I personally have always prefered standard and like being in control of what gear I'm in as long as there is no shift light...LOL.

I am about to get the motor running and the transmission is next so if I want to make any changes, now is the time.

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I like automatic for crawling, no shaky clutch leg when the jeep is standing up on the rear bumper, and seems to be easier on driveshaf/ujoint/ring&pinion breakage...to swap u need flywheel (flexplate) tranfercase that will bolt up to trans, trans/tcase mount, drive shaft modifications, clutch petals, linkage/hydro system... Can be done, just takes time and money... Like all good things in life!
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For the rocks, I perfer a standard. If you're running mud, go auto.
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I use an auto. Both of my wheeling buddies have moved to a stick: (They both say they love it). But of coarse they have to say that after committing to the conversion. LOL
We mostly rock crawl.

Good and bad no particular order:

I am on my third 700r and am going to put a t400 in due to the tail housing cracking.
Both the others had multiple problems with cracked automatics. They have had no problems since.
I am going to try one more time with the 6 bolt rear flange t400, then I guess I'll switch to a stick.
With the auto I think I can get reverse faster (preventing a roll over) than a stick.
The clutch system is another thing to go wrong.
You don' t have to carry trans fluid anymore.
The standard doesn't leek all its fluid out when your at a bad angle.
Standards don't over heat.
You don't need a hand throttle with an auto.
Use a hydraulic clutch if you go standard, mechanical linkage doesn't like all the twisting and usually will bind up or fail just when you need it most.
I don't stall my engine as much as the other two.
Your engine will feel and act as if it has more power at low speed due to the slippage in the torque converter: (assuming everything else in the drive train is equal). Gearing.
If your not in a full size the peddles can get crowded. My friends buggy is bad and he's got big feet.
The stick on a standard is always in a different spot so it's hard to keep your arm comfortable. LOL
It's harder to hold you with a stick.
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If you're set on going manual, you'll have your work cut out for you but it's up to you on the prefernce.

If you want the control of a manual but don't want the clutch, look inot a manual valve body for your automatic.

It's the best of both worlds. No clutch but you still determine the shift points.


If you're going to be crawlin, sometimes it can be a matter of centimeters whether you're on a ledge or off it. sometimes you're going to have a little roll back when your operating three pedals with two feet.
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I wheel an auto now and had a manual in the f-toy. I would prefer a manual over a stock auto but like discarded said the autos are mo better with a RMVB. I don't have one yet but am saving pennies.

Few things I don't like about autos. When you're on a long up hill climb and get hung up and need to back down one foot and go around something. You put it in reverse and give it gas and more gas and more gas and you start to wonder when the tranny finally decides to go is it going to shoot me off this hill like a rocket ship!? Happen to me once and def saw the advantage of positive engagement the manual offered.

Another time(fing anound being stupid) I layed it on it's side but still had the ability to drive out of it but the trans wasn't getting any fluid so I had to be pulled over. And yes I over fill.
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Yup. Got a reverse manual valve body in my C4 and Iiisss Niiiiccceee.
Same problem with the reverse except when the doubler is in low. Then that's not a problem.
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It's not too bad to convert it to a manual, especially with all the hydraulic options out there now. I will never run another auto on the rocks unless I have over 600 hp and just want to rock bounce.

The people who prefer autos probably have a hard time driving tractors too. Too many pedals.
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I am starting out with an auto, I have been out wheeling one time so far and got bit real hard by the "moneypit" LOL ! But I can drive a stick just fine, in fact a had a 5.0 stang that had the goodies and yankin tires at the local speeway. I know this is not the same class, but in learning I can see the advantages of both. I didn't want to have to figure out how to "bump it driver " and hold the pedal and steer when the front wheels are bound up and catch the next gear and ...... and so on. The down fall to autos "from what I have heard" is on a down hill decent the engine brake can be annoying, as well as missing a gear like a 1st to 3rd deal if you don't have a good B&M or art carr shifter. But to each there own ! Let us know what you pick.
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Yup. Got a reverse manual valve body in my C4 and Iiisss Niiiiccceee.
Same problem with the reverse except when the doubler is in low. Then that's not a problem.
Who did you go with? Been looking at this kit from tci but have no idea if it's any good. Does yours have engine braking?

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I haven't been in it as long as some of these guys, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.....
I have always ran autos in my 4x4s. Drop it in gear and go. But until I started wheeling my yota I found that having a manual gives you a whole lot of gear options. Surely with a doubler. I find myself using 3rd gear to take off alot in different situations, using different low ranges......
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The people who prefer autos probably have a hard time driving tractors too. Too many pedals.
No way. In fact I have a four shifter, a gas pedal and two brake pedals. Don't know if I'd suggest the two brakes pedals in a standard though!


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Who did you go with? Been looking at this kit from tci but have no idea if it's any good. Does yours have engine braking?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TCI-221201/
Since I have a Ford C4, my only choice was Art Carr. I like it though. Can get annoying at times, but it gives you more control. About 95% likey 5% annoyey. It does have compression braking.
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On the rocks, I prefer an automatic. There is already enough to worry about with brake and accelerator to have to deal with a clutch pedal too. Now, if you have enough gearing, it wont be as bad, but it is still 3 pedals to have to operate. That's just my opinion, even if some people will tell me I am wrong.
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