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Old 07-11-2009, 05:42 PM   #1
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What Engine?

Okay so here is the deal. Right now i have an old leaky 350 that i want to replace with something bigger and better. Im not looking for alot of hp or torque but just an all around good reliable motor. This truck is going to be street driven but built mostly for mud and mild rocks. My plan is to pick up a block, either a big block or smallblock, and build it up slowly because the engine in my truck runs alright for the time being.

And now for my questions. I have never built and engine or been into one farther than pulling the valve covers so all of this is new to me.

1. Small or bigblock? and why?

2. What kind of hp and torque can i excpet from each?

I plan on staying carb for simplicity on the trail and because i dont want to have to worry about wiring.

Anyway, What are your opinions? All info and opinions are appreciated.
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big block= more torque
small blk= high rpm for wheel speed

Both are good but bb takes less High dollar parts to make better. Sml blk are good if you could put $ into them for high hp.

Depends on your budget.

I use small blks for weight to power ratio. All mine are $3500-$6000
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More power for the money. A few simple mods can get you decent power and tons of torque and keep it pretty reliable. And you have more to work with if you decide you want to spend the big bucks to make a monster rat.
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More power for the money. A few simple mods can get you decent power and tons of torque and keep it pretty reliable. And you have more to work with if you decide you want to spend the big bucks to make a monster rat.
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Best idea yet! With one of those under the hood, you would never have to worry about breaking any parts.
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LQ9 6.0, you can get a low mileage takeout with wiring harness and accessories for less than you could build either.
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LQ9 6.0, you can get a low mileage takeout with wiring harness and accessories for less than you could build either.
what he said

good deals to be found out there on 5.3/6.0 truck motors, and plenty of headroom to build the power. For $2500-$3500 and the time to wait for deals to show up you could build a blown 5.3/6.0 with well over 500 hp/tq and still be mega reliable and have v-6 fuel economy.

Also easy to build with a carb if you wanna go that route too.
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Best idea yet! With one of those under the hood, you would never have to worry about breaking any parts.
Not true.

I add another vote for a BBC.
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At this point in time i dont have that kind of money to just drop into a running motor and i dont really want to have to mess with any of the tbi stuff unless i can get a really good deal, and i mean really really really good deal.

So the general concensus seems to be a BBC.

1. What blocks do i need to look for? Year range?

2. Look for a complete motor or just start pieceing it together?

3. Do i need a stock cam or after market cam? What about heads?

and if i was going to stay small block:

1. What about a 383? How do those compare preformance wise to a stock bb?

and last but not least, if i slowly build a motor, about how much and i going to spend down the road?

Keep in mind i am going to be looking for deals and i am not excpecting this motor to be done anytime soon. This is going to be along term project.
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It depends on what you want it to do. Mine is bone stock with just a GM marine cam and Performer RPM intake. The heads and even exhaust are still stock. It doesnt make all that much HP, but has tons of torque and I dont have that much money into it. I was mostly after torque anyway, it's always had enough hp to get me in trouble, even with the worn out 350. Desktop Dyno estimates it at about 340 hp and 500lbs (at 2krpm). I got lucky with mine and got it out of a K30 that I bought for $500. I spent about 500 on parts and a little machine work (I toasted the bearings) and added TBI. I got lucky and got a good engine to begin with, it still had the crosshatches in the cylinders when I pulled it apart.

Whatever engine you go with you will need a good cooling system. More HP and rpms will run the temps up pretty quick.
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Big block or Small block- either way you decide to go, just start out with a complete motor vs. piece by piece getting the parts.

It's probably gonna cost at least $1200 to rebuild a sb350 with machining the block, heads reworked, new cam,pistons, intake etc. Its really up to you depending on how much money you wanna throw at it and how much power you want.

I would really look into the 5.3 or 6.0 motors if it were me.(Thats what I want for my heep now) I have found numerous complete 5.3's with all the acc and wiring for around $500-600 on CL. Rework the wiring yourself or have it done for you and have modern FI and a reliable, fuel efficient motor. Do a cam swap and you will be good to go.
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Now if i do a cam swap on a newer efi motor do i have to change alot of other stuff inside the motor?
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Now if i do a cam swap on a newer efi motor do i have to change alot of other stuff inside the motor?
too much lift and you'll probably want to upgrade the springs, I think I've read that the ceiling is around 500...
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I had my girl friends father suggest an rv cam and flat top pistons for my current motor. What kind of hp and torque am i looking at with those?

Also i thing my current motor may already have a aftermarket cam. Is there anyway to tell with out pulling the motor apart?
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What intake, carb, rv cam, roller rockers ????

not without taking front of the motor down. Usually numbers stamped on the front of the cam
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If you want to know what kind of hp you will make with a 350 take a look at the different gm crate motors and what cam, pistons, comp ratio, rods, intake etc they used. Look in JEGS, Summit or a pace performance catalog and they will have plenty of examples of what parts it takes to make the hp you want.
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In case you were wondering how much a 5.3 with harness could be had for.

For that price I might have to get one for my Blazer. Or the buggy. Or the zuki. I will still prefer the 6.0 myself but the 5.3 have plenty of power and decent mileage from what I have seen.
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For that price I might have to get one for my Blazer and the buggy and the zuki. I will still prefer the 6.0 myself but the 5.3 have plenty of power and decent mileage from what I have seen.
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Well, I am running an LQ4 6.0L with 30K on the odoemeter coupled to a 4L80E. Probably running conservatively about 320HP.
I used to be a conventional SBC/carburated kinda guy. Easy to make them run. But, the carb just won't handle the angles you will put your rig in while rockcrawling/hillclimbing.
The computer operated 6.0 never misses. Runs perfect. Has more than enough horsepower. It is a rockcrawler that I can drive on the street and get around 15mpg. I have $3400 in the engine and tranny and that includes the shipping from South Dakota. The engine had everything including A/C compressor. The only thing I had to buy was the serpintine belt. I had the harness and computer reprogrammed for $350.
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What would be suggested for one of those $350 5.3's before installation? New oil pump, water pump, plugs, ? Of course I mean in addition to any obvious issues. What about pulling the pan and checking main bearings?
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How hard is it to cut out all the transmission crap in the wiring harness? Also do they make a flywheel that would work with my sm465 for these motors?
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If I had the money I would buy one for later installation, but I just blew some money on a cage before I saw this. If it were me...

Id take the pan off, inspect for wear/slop. Maybe install new oil pump, change the pan to a shallower one, def new plugs while it was out.

As far as the harness goes I'd probably have it sent out to rework and have a new flash put on the computer.

You need a flywheel from a 6.0 that came with manual tranny and your bell housing and clutch and pressure plate that you currently have for the 465 should work.
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