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Old 03-09-2008, 03:25 PM   #1
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Questions regarding diesel engine maintenance

In comparing cost per mile on a gas engine VS diesel, I am trying to compare cost to drive for 2 similar vehicles with different engines. I am already familiar with maintenance on gas powered vehicles. I'd like to see facts regarding recommended servicing on a diesel powered vehicle such as:

Oil change frequency (also info on dino VS synthetic)
Air, Oil, and Fuel filter change frequency (any special filters?)
Any other recommended maintenance item
Any other "hassle" factors (such as fuel/additive availability, fuel quality, etc)

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Fairly new model 1 ton pickup, 2WD, dually with manual transmission.

Case 1 - daily driver with light loads
Case 2 - regular towing up to 10000 lbs
Case 3 (if needed) - heavy duty use >10000 lbs
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On my 06 CTD Ram 2500 with Auto tranny I change my oil every 3000 miles using Shell Rotella T, oil filter every 3000 miles using a MOPAR oil filter. I change the tranny fluid and filter every 25000 miles using MOPAR ATF+4 fluid and a MOPAR filter ( the gasket is hard plastic and reusable). I drained and refilled the transfer case also every 25000 miles and the differentials at 15000 mile intervals. I used to only change my fuel filter every 10000 miles however I have gone to every 3000 miles now because of trouble with my injectors. The injectors began to hang open which would cause the engine to run rough, use more fuel and hang up at high idle and run rough for up to a 15 to 20 second interval as it erratically idled back down on its own. I also regularly run Sea Foam in my fuel, A can to every tank of fuel and Cetane booster too. My air filter is an old school K&N which has to be washed , dried and lightly oiled about every 10000 miles. Of course you can get the dry type air filters now. I figure it cost me 3 to 4 times as much as maintenance would for a gas engine. The company I work for is very generous in paying for most maintenance items. My engine idles a good deal and the computer has the high idle feature turned on. If any of you have a Cummins engine, you might wish to have the dealership turn this feature on if you idle the engine often. I also have a 2000 watt inverter and the high idle keeps the alternator spinning fast enough to allow the invertor to work hard when needed. That invertor has run a large 1/2" hammer drill or my 110 VAC wire or even my air compressor one time. OK, probably TMI but, hope this helps .
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complete oil change 30k using synthetic mobile one.$90.00)
i use the fs2500 bypass filter. change oil filter & bypass filter every 5k & add 2 qts.initial cost on fs2500 $450.00 (filter & oil filter $35)
fuel filter every 10k($15)
trans spin on filter every 10k & add half a qt.($11)
complete trans & tcase flush every 30k(? not yet there)
front & rear diff every 15k($45)
w/ new efilive programming best milage 26mpg driving back from houston
dried air filter $80.00 one time. ouch!!!
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My 01 24v ctd 2wd 3/4 auto. With 143,000+ miles.

Oil change: Every 10,000miles running Lucus long life diesel oil. Change the filter @ 5,000 then full change @ 10,000. Useing Wix filter. Lucas cost $6 buck more then rotella change. No problems after 3 oil changes like this. This oil is made to run 15,000 or 20,000 miles.

Air and fuel: Air @ the 10,000 miles dirty or not. Only run Wix filter. And fuel about 10,000 to with Wix filter only.

Auto tranny: I use Castol ATF+4 and Wix filter Every 25,000 miles. Was running dealer stuff intell they let other oils company cash in on it.

Fuel Additives: Was running Lucas gas treatment but just started to use Diesel Kleen Plus. Add's like 6 points to the sulfer count. It's made a big fuel increase. Almost back to were it was before the low sulfer crap! fuel. 8 bucks and you get like 6 feelups on one bottel. 8oz's for every 25gallons. Like the last couple trips to K-rock i burn about 3/8 of a tank there and same back run 65 to 75mph. This weekend i run the same speeds with crapy weather and only used 1/4 tank each ways. Not bad 1/4 tank and 125 miles pulling about 8000 pds.


Same for the filters go online and buy them in bulk or 6 at a time cost way less. And dealer stuff is a high price joke. Made by the same filter companys just painted different. Just like napa stuff.Cost more same stuff. There only like 3 big filter companys out there. And oil. most parts store wish they didnt have to sell it. they make like 5 cent a Qt on it. So shop around. I get most of my stuff 10% over cost wife a manager for a parts store. So i get to hear all the b.s at the managers confrance each year. About these products.
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Thanks for the replies.
I guess since the oil looks dirty right away, you can't go by color of oil on oil changes. But change intervals seem the same as for a gas engine. It just depends on if your running synthetic or not.

On the additives, can you tell a performance difference or is it just that you know the fuel is lacking the old school sulfur?

I've seen a lot of aftermarket oil filtering systems that seem to be a good way to go.

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Currently stock with the exception of a K&N intake & 4" straight pipe. Getting 14 city driving easy/16 hwy. @ 70 mph. But the parts already ordered & on the way (or already here) are Amsoil synthetics for the motor, tranny, & diff, Amsoil bypass kit, air filter to switch out the K&N filter & concentrate, Nicktane dual fuel filter setup, Mag Hytech diff cover & tranny pan, transgo & PPE standard. Hopefully this will all help to increase mpg. I'm doing a complete tranny flush as well. I hope to report my results soon


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w/ new efilive programming best milage 26mpg driving back from houston
is that hand calculated? if so, that sure is impressive.
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dott i was doing 60mph & used the gps & hand calculated to get the best acurate results. it was set on cruise control all the way.

but, you know me. driving 65 sux.
my normal hwy speed it droped alot 19-22 @ speeds from 70-85.

oh. i switched from mobil one syn. to bg syn. hd. it was cheaper by the gallon at my dealer discount.
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I follow the maintenance schedual in the owners manual to a T. With the exception of useing shell rotella 15w40 oil in the engine. Have yet to have one problem. This is on every diesel I have owned GM, Furd, Dodge.

Althou the only problems I have had in the past has been with Furds (aka turds). But it was not due to proper maintenance just a typical crapialy built product.

that said maintance on a diesel may be a little bit higher yet you do not have to preform it as often as a gas engine.
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yup, i went to eng. logics in houston for a efilive trainning & dyno.
got to see them teach the new efilive dist. for texas. the owners name is chris.
super nice guy.
they also set it up for two passes at 536 @ the rear wheels!!!!!!!!!!
my trans hated that!!!!!!!!! yikes.
jess from wait4me tunes from indiana(i belive) tuned the truck. he gave me a tune for economy & a almost even band for towing. he even blocked the egr for me.
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Althou the only problems I have had in the past has been with Furds (aka turds). But it was not due to proper maintenance just a typical crapialy built product.
are you talking about the 6.0?
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are you talking about the 6.0?
Nope mine was with the 7.3.

You could not pay me enough to have the 6.0 or the new 6.4 (I think it's a 6.4).
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Nope mine was with the 7.3.

You could not pay me enough to have the 6.0 or the new 6.4 (I think it's a 6.4).

the 6.0l is junk, the 6.4l is still new but it is following suit.

Now what was wrong with your 7.3L?? Also what year?
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Nope mine was with the 7.3.

You could not pay me enough to have the 6.0 or the new 6.4 (I think it's a 6.4).


wow. i really dont have problems w/ the 7.3. its the 6.0 i see it with.

the 6.4 are all right. no more big problems w/ fire or turbos going out anymore.
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what was wrong with your 7.3L?? Also what year?

95.
computer problems (un hook the batt. and let it reset and it would run ok for a while). Plus it would stall out at the drop of a hat. Stealership could never find a problem go figure. Plus no matter what it would idle like it had sand in the pistons. Rough is a understatement.

Also my father had a 7.3 the last year they where offered and it kept breaking off the oiling tubes that ran from the pan to each cylinder.

I had a 94 that would run no matter what it was a great truck.

YET.

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The 6.4's are still have problems. my boss and another guy in cedar park area is have them. The dealer comes in a and buys the trucks off the onwers. my boss and the other guy waont sell. Its some funny stuff. Weve had a big wig form ford show up to the shop. With a check boss just laugh at him.

Most guy i know run 5,000 miles on there oil changes.
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computer problems (un hook the batt. and let it reset and it would run ok for a while). Plus it would stall out at the drop of a hat. Stealership could never find a problem go figure. Plus no matter what it would idle like it had sand in the pistons. Rough is a understatement.

Also my father had a 7.3 the last year they where offered and it kept breaking off the oiling tubes that ran from the pan to each cylinder.

I had a 94 that would run no matter what it was a great truck.

YET.

95 and up Furds = CRAP!!!
I loved my 94 f350 crewcab truck i had, it was the indirect injector 7.3L turbo motor. 350,000 miles and it was still running when i sold it, my uncle blew a rod through the block running 95mph, it had close to 380,000 miles when he blew it.

the 95 was the first year for the powerstroke so understandable, but the 2002 7.3l?? I have been hearing great things out of the F-450 7.3L which is something i thought about for a future purchase.
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The 6.4's are still have problems. my boss and another guy in cedar park area is have them. The dealer comes in a and buys the trucks off the onwers. my boss and the other guy waont sell. Its some funny stuff. Weve had a big wig form ford show up to the shop. With a check boss just laugh at him.
If they were having problems, why didn't they sell it?
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Same go's for the 07 Dodge. My brotherinlaw has had 3 turbo's 2 ecm's 2 brake brakes. And there still finding bugs with them.

Ford wanted to be the first on the market with twins under the hood. And a 450 chassy. For the camper folks. Allot of them dont have problems with there 6.4's but then you get the flame thorwers and smoke trucks out there. That fords trying to hind from the EPA. Because there smog crap isnt working right. Plus when he bought it. The sticker on the windsheild said like 18mpg. And his best was 12mpg. With out a load. It does do a good job pulling his 28ft camper. They did a road trip up the west coast after the truck had 5000 miles on it. They put like another 5000 on it.

here the kicker truck mite have 20,000 on it now. And the raditor blew 2 weeks ago. Are hot shot guy carrier a spare raditor in his. he's blown 3 of them. in 50,000 miles.
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Same go's for the 07 Dodge. My brotherinlaw has had 3 turbo's 2 ecm's 2 brake brakes. And there still finding bugs with them.

Ford wanted to be the first on the market with twins under the hood. And a 450 chassy. For the camper folks. Allot of them dont have problems with there 6.4's but then you get the flame thorwers and smoke trucks out there. That fords trying to hind from the EPA. Because there smog crap isnt working right. Plus when he bought it. The sticker on the windsheild said like 18mpg. And his best was 12mpg. With out a load. It does do a good job pulling his 28ft camper. They did a road trip up the west coast after the truck had 5000 miles on it. They put like another 5000 on it.

here the kicker truck mite have 20,000 on it now. And the raditor blew 2 weeks ago. Are hot shot guy carrier a spare raditor in his. he's blown 3 of them. in 50,000 miles.

you i see at least 1-2 radiators a week. its even on e250 vans gas or diesel
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at the price's of diesel right now i don't think they are worth it anymore unless you are towing often more than twice a month. i just saw it for 3.81
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Up here its in the $3.89+ range. But good'ol wallmart is still 3.59 and marble falls. as still under the $3.60 price. And wait intell summer time hits. Gas well probly pass diesel up in price.

Hell i get 18 to 21 MPG out of my truck. And im still looking for a small import to drive to work. That gets better then 25mpg. I got about 70 mile commute for work and baby sister.
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