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Old 10-06-2010, 09:27 PM   #1
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Reality’s a *****!

In the world we live in today everything boils down to our pocket book to stay alive.

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With all the entitlement programs that are in place at this time it is no wonder that our country is going bankrupt. As it stands now 55% of the US population and most certainly more than that that is not reported do not pay any taxes.

It is beyond time to end this!

People who do not pay into the pot so to speak should not have a voice on how the money gets spent. But oh noes everyone should have an equal voice…….BULLSH!T!!!!!!!!

If you get the same amount back or more than you pay in taxes you are not a tax payer. You are a zero liability voter that just drains the system. AKA a recipient or leach of the hard work of others. When was the last time you heard a welfare recipient say thank you? That’s right you never have. They just continue to scream “feed me feed me” like toilet bugs, with no regard as to where the money they live on comes from. The lazy fawks just want more like a leach that is intent on sucking the life out of another. And this is where Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives get there power. They promise to “take care of you and give you the easy life because they know best.” All the while they are the biggest leach of all sucking the life blood out of those that are trying to keep this country afloat.

Bottom line is those that do not truly pay taxes need to Just STFU and learn to say thank you for what they leach off of hard working Americans. You leaches do not pay the bills you just add to them. Therefore you should not have a say in how this country is operated. Get a Job And pay your share you FAWKS! Then and only then should you have a say.

We have all seen first hand now Just how Fawked this country can get when ZERO LIABILTY voters that vote for “more free stuff for themselves” vote.

This November and November of 2012 It is high time for we the bill payers to take our country back and burn the leaches off!

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Snick, I happen to be one of those individuals who doesn't pay any income taxes based upon the forms of my income. Do I agree with you? Yes, although to a point.

Veterans benefits are not taxable under the law. Social Security benefits may be taxed if the benefits bring you over the thresh-hold of $25,000.00, regardless if they are straight SS, SS Disability or SS Supplemental. What kicks me in the pants are the other programs, such as Welfare, Medi-caid, Medi-care, and Snap. They get to me because those programs are the ones that are so highly abused and there are no set limits on them. Those programs are designed to keep you in poverty and hold you there.

The 16th Amendment to the US Constitution is actually illegal as it was not properly ratified. This Amendment, of course, entitles the U.S. Government the right to levy income taxes. The IRS has become a monster, ever swallowing up the American Citizen with its outdated, unruly, unfair, and heavy-burden laden tax code. What can be done about it?

A. Petition the State Governors to call for a Constitutional Convention. Once the convention is set, then the representatives from each state (not your Senators or HOR's) can suggest amendments to the Constitution.

Here is were you can introduce motions to, for example :

1. Repeal the 16th Amendment and abolish the IRS.
2. Congress shall pass no law that they themselves as individuals or as a duly elected body shall be exempted from.
3. Term limits for both Senators and HOR's.
4. Institution of the National Referendum


B. Institute a fair taxation program across the board. Rather than an income tax, the United States I believe needs to work on a consumption tax basis. I feel that a flat 10% on goods and services is more than adequate to quell the nations financial needs. Instead of having 45% pay the tax burden, now all Americans' will be paying into the system.

I humbly feel that until a very staunch Constitutionalist who will be tough and will make the tough decisions we need get this country rolling again, we are doomed to be self-consumed.

Either we will correct our course or sadly the Union will be dissolved and the nation will cease to exist. It's heading that way.
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I agree with Snick. The government keeps a good eye on the people who do not pay taxes, and I'm talking to the people who don't pay illegally. Their voting right should be taken away among many other privileges. I also believe those that are dipping into the pot and NOT doing a damn thing for themselves should have the governments thumb down on them. They should have to pass drug tests before they can get their food stamps or any other hand outs they get. I bet you the welfare office wouldn't have near the headaches because people who collect this would be downsized tremendously.
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Snick, I happen to be one of those individuals who doesn't pay any income taxes based upon the forms of my income. Do I agree with you? Yes, although to a point.

Veterans benefits are not taxable under the law. Social Security benefits may be taxed if the benefits bring you over the thresh-hold of $25,000.00, regardless if they are straight SS, SS Disability or SS Supplemental. What kicks me in the pants are the other programs, such as Welfare, Medi-caid, Medi-care, and Snap. They get to me because those programs are the ones that are so highly abused and there are no set limits on them. Those programs are designed to keep you in poverty and hold you there.

The 16th Amendment to the US Constitution is actually illegal as it was not properly ratified. This Amendment, of course, entitles the U.S. Government the right to levy income taxes. The IRS has become a monster, ever swallowing up the American Citizen with its outdated, unruly, unfair, and heavy-burden laden tax code. What can be done about it?

A. Petition the State Governors to call for a Constitutional Convention. Once the convention is set, then the representatives from each state (not your Senators or HOR's) can suggest amendments to the Constitution.

Here is were you can introduce motions to, for example :

1. Repeal the 16th Amendment and abolish the IRS.
2. Congress shall pass no law that they themselves as individuals or as a duly elected body shall be exempted from.
3. Term limits for both Senators and HOR's.
4. Institution of the National Referendum


B. Institute a fair taxation program across the board. Rather than an income tax, the United States I believe needs to work on a consumption tax basis. I feel that a flat 10% on goods and services is more than adequate to quell the nations financial needs. Instead of having 45% pay the tax burden, now all Americans' will be paying into the system.

I humbly feel that until a very staunch Constitutionalist who will be tough and will make the tough decisions we need get this country rolling again, we are doomed to be self-consumed.

Either we will correct our course or sadly the Union will be dissolved and the nation will cease to exist. It's heading that way.

Veterans should not pay any taxes in my view.They have contributed more to our nation than anyone, Their Lives. So if you are a veteran you have already "put more in" of value than those that have not served.
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The 16th Amendment to the US Constitution is actually illegal as it was not properly ratified. This Amendment, of course, entitles the U.S. Government the right to levy income taxes.
Why are you spreading lies for? The 16 Amendment was properly ratified by 3/4's of the states by 2-3-13. The number of states needed back then was 36. And by 3-7-13 42 states had ratified the 16 Amendment.

Second point I would like to make is the 16 Amendment itself did not grant the Congress the power to tax incomes (a power the Congress has had since 1789, Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution).
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when you paint everybody with a broad brush , you make many mistakes. i know people not paying taxes but earn mimimum wages and collect no welfare. and then there are million and billionaires not paying taxes for various reasons . i think a working mans vote and opinion are worth as much as the seemily entilled rich people have . just my 2 cents .
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when you paint everybody with a broad brush , you make many mistakes. i know people not paying taxes but earn mimimum wages and collect no welfare. and then there are million and billionaires not paying taxes for various reasons . i think a working mans vote and opinion are worth as much as the seemily entilled rich people have . just my 2 cents .
A broad brush as you call it is needed in this situation so that it covers everyone. If you do not put into the pot you should have no say in what the contents of the pot is used for.

A simple example to break it down.

You and three other people are all sitting at a table. Three of you each put $5 on the table and the forth puts nothing. Now when you are discussing what the $15 should be used for should those that put in decide because they have something invested to loose (their $5). Or should the one that put in nothing and has nothing invested to lose decide what it will be spent on?
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Why are you spreading lies for? The 16 Amendment was properly ratified by 3/4's of the states by 2-3-13. The number of states needed back then was 36. And by 3-7-13 42 states had ratified the 16 Amendment.

Second point I would like to make is the 16 Amendment itself did not grant the Congress the power to tax incomes (a power the Congress has had since 1789, Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution).
NO, the 16th Amendment was NOT ratified legally. Do you history homework. There is a whole controversy about it. The procedures surrounding the amendment process were NOT followed and the amendment was illegally presented to the states, and falsely declared ratified.

Wrong again on the the second point. The Constitution gave the congress the right to levy taxes, defining it as a Federal Power, not to the states. The Congress could levy excises on imports and tariffs only, not income. This ties into the whole issue behind the passage of the 16th Amendment and the creation of the FED which didn't exist until after the 16th was ratified.

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Veterans should not pay any taxes in my view.They have contributed more to our nation than anyone, Their Lives. So if you are a veteran you have already "put more in" of value than those that have not served.
Hey Snick,

I didn't for one minute feel or think you were talking about veterans. The subject you brought up is being discussed all around the country and just like Jeff (SAK-5) said, everyone is getting lumped together. That's why I made the distinction, so others may know how the system works on those two particular benefits. Not many folks understand how they work.

I'm all with you brother on the welfare issue. Time for real change you can count on.
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Flat tax everyone is the fair way. If you make dollars, you pay, if you make nothing, you don;t pay, but you also get nothing back. No one would get anything back. I don;t mind paying taxes but i get really POed when I make a mistake, a legitimate one time mistake on mine and go try to get help with resolving that mistake. I am in there and so low life next to me is complaining because he does not work and feels he did not get enough back (don't worry, I am sure we can help you with this" Say ms. IRS lady. But me, I get "Sorry, there is nothing we can do for you" I know a pilot that deserves a medal. Dante has a special level of hell for Tax assessors.
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NO, the 16th Amendment was NOT ratified legally. Do you history homework. There is a whole controversy about it. The procedures surrounding the amendment process were NOT followed and the amendment was illegally presented to the states, and falsely declared ratified.

Wrong again on the the second point. The Constitution gave the congress the right to levy taxes, defining it as a Federal Power, not to the states. The Congress could levy excises on imports and tariffs only, not income. This ties into the whole issue behind the passage of the 16th Amendment and the creation of the FED which didn't exist until after the 16th was ratified.

Before you go sticking your finger and saying someone is wrong, maybe you should read a whole lot about history before you start calling someone a liar.

Here is one of so many sources you might find interesting... The Law that never was

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Do you know how many poor people have went to jail because of that book?
Every point in that book has been proven wrong. If you want to give me more go ahead and try, because I will case after case where your facts are off. Court case after court. My father inlaw just got out of fed jail because someone told him taxes wasn't constitutionaly (sp?). He was already so far behind on his taxes that he wanted to believe anything, so he went for it and it cost him 1000's and a year in jail.

So lets start off slow so other people reading this can follow.
You said the 16th Amendment to the US Constitution is actually illegal as it was not properly ratified.
Question: Why do you say it wasn't properly ratified?
A. Your trying to follow William J. Benson contention. It is essentially that the legislatures of various states passed ratifying resolutions in which the quoted text of the Amendment differed from the text proposed by Congress in terms of capitalization, spelling of words, or punctuation marks (e.g. semi-colons instead of commas), and that these differences made the ratification invalid?

The Benson arguments have been rejected in every court case where they have been raised, and were explicitly ruled to be fraudulent in 2007.

The text Congress transmitted to the states was: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." Many of the instruments the states wrote up neglected to capitalize "States," and some capitalized other words instead. The instrument from Illinois had "remuneration" in place of "enumeration"; the instrument from Missouri substituted "levy" for "lay"; the instrument from Washington had "income" not "incomes"; others made similar blunders.

Secretary of State Knox considered this argument. The Solicitor of the Department of State drew up a list of the errors in the instruments and — taking into account both the triviality of the deviations and the treatment of earlier amendments that had experienced more substantial problems — advised the Secretary that he was authorized to declare the amendment adopted. The Secretary did so.

Please tell me why you don't think the 16th wasn't properly ratified?
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Flat tax everyone is the fair way.
Exactly!!!

If you make $1 a year or billions a minute, every person should pay one flat price not a percent of what you make.
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i dont know if i agree on a flat tax. if you make $1 and get tax $20 while the other guy make $10,000 and gets taxed $20. that is not the right way to do it. now i also do not like paying 25-35%+ in taxes is right either. my parents got hit with a unearned money taxes that came out to be close to be 45%. thats a large chunk.
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i dont know if i agree on a flat tax. if you make $1 and get tax $20 while the other guy make $10,000 and gets taxed $20. that is not the right way to do it. now i also do not like paying 25-35%+ in taxes is right either. my parents got hit with a unearned money taxes that came out to be close to be 45%. thats a large chunk.
Rugger, a flat tax is based on a percentage, not a dollar amount. If a flat tax, as in your example was set at 10%, you would get taxed 10% of $1, or .10. The guy who just made $10000.00 would get taxed a total of $1000.00. That's how a flat tax works.
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i dont know if i agree on a flat tax. if you make $1 and get tax $20 while the other guy make $10,000 and gets taxed $20. that is not the right way to do it. now i also do not like paying 25-35%+ in taxes is right either. my parents got hit with a unearned money taxes that came out to be close to be 45%. thats a large chunk.
I used that as an over exaggerated example.

If every person over 18 years of age (voting age) paid $1,000 dollars a year regardless of what their income was that would be more than enough to fund our .gov for what their COTUS powers mandates. Everything they are doing now is illegal and beyond what they are supposed to be limited to.

Hate to be the tough voice of logical reason but it would force the lazy off their *** and make them contribute to society instead of bleeding it dry.
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Rugger, a flat tax is based on a percentage, not a dollar amount. If a flat tax, as in your example was set at 10%, you would get taxed 10% of $1, or .10. The guy who just made $10000.00 would get taxed a total of $1000.00. That's how a flat tax works.
Exactly! Fair for all. no tax cuts, no incentives. I am also for spending taxes. if you spend a lot of money of crap you don't need. TAX IT. If I want to save and hoard my money, I should be allowed too.
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Rugger, a flat tax is based on a percentage, not a dollar amount. If a flat tax, as in your example was set at 10%, you would get taxed 10% of $1, or .10. The guy who just made $10000.00 would get taxed a total of $1000.00. That's how a flat tax works.
Wrong. A flat tax is one price no matter what like the cost of a gallon of milk in the store "today".

What you are thinking about is a fair tax. Which is just as devious as what is going on now.

Why should someone who works and makes more than the other guy have to pay more.
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a % would be nice as long as it is a flat tax. i dont like that the more overtime i work the more taxes they take.
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a % would be nice as long as it is a fair tax. i dont like that the more overtime i work the more taxes they take.

Fixed.

Stop calling a percent of what you make a "flat" tax. It is not. A certain % for all does not equal the same amount payed by all.
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used for should those that put in decide because they have something invested to loose (their $5). Or should the one that put in nothing and has nothing invested to lose decide what it will be spent on?
not even 2 cents..just a thought..
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