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Old 04-30-2009, 08:24 AM   #1
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Sorry guys but what the hell? i live in the dfw area and they have shut down all schools in fortworth, all in the cleburne area, and are now talking about all dallas schools. is this as serious as they are making it? or is it just an excuse for the goverment to raise out taxes again? its just like the west nile virus. such a big deal but yet no one around here got that sick from it. just wanted some peoples input on this.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:03 AM   #2
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From what I heard there was a child in the area who was up visiting from Mexico who died from the virus. There's no telling how many kids in her family that the child came in contact with that go to schools in that area. They don't take chances anymore when it comes to the kids. Think its good to be safe than sorry but just my $.02.
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From what I heard there was a child in the area who was up visiting from Mexico who died from the virus. There's no telling how many kids in her family that the child came in contact with that go to schools in that area. They don't take chances anymore when it comes to the kids. Think its good to be safe than sorry but just my $.02.
that was in Houston. the child was in Brownsville, got sick there in Brownsville, was taken to Houston hospital and died there in the hospital.
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that was in Houston. the child was in Brownsville, got sick there in Brownsville, was taken to Houston hospital and died there in the hospital.
Had been told it was closer to Dallas but thanks for clearing it up.
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The first reported death in the United States from the swine flu outbreak was that of a 23-month-old Mexico City boy who fell ill in Brownsville and was transported for treatment at Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, where he died Monday, officials said.

Also, officials suspended all high school athletic and academic competition statewide until at least May 11 because of the spreading flu, which has prompted five districts to cancel classes entirely, including three in suburban San Antonio.

Gov. Rick Perry issued a disaster declaration for the entire state, basically a paperwork measure that allows Texas to begin emergency protective measures and seek reimbursement from the federal government. Perry also said Texas has 850,000 more courses of antiviral medicine coming, which would double its supply.

Dr. David Persse, director of Houston's emergency medical services, said the acutely ill child was admitted to a Brownsville hospital on April 13 and immediately was rushed by medical transport to Houston.

According to the Texas Department of State Health Services, the boy already had "several underlying health problems" before he flew to Matamoros on April 4 and crossed into Brownsville to visit relatives.

The boy came down with a fever April 8, followed by other flu-like symptoms, the state said.

Persse learned of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmation of the virus before dawn this morning. Other people accompanying the child have shown no signs of illness, and the boy was not known to be sick when he crossed the border, Persse said.

"This doesn't really change the landscape here in Houston," he said. "We know it's in the U.S., it's in Texas and we need to take our own personal precautions."

Those precautions include hand-washing, covering coughs or sneezes and contacting a physician upon detection of flu-like symptoms such as fever, body aches, nausea or an upset stomach, he said.

Dr. Jeffrey Starke, director of infection control at Texas Children's, said no one at the hospital who cared for the boy has shown any symptoms of swine flu. He said the hospital is closely monitoring the health of those personnel

Mayor Bill White said today it should come as no surprise that severely ill people are transported to a city with "some of the most outstanding medical facilities in the world."

"That does not mean that Houston is somehow an epicenter (of swine flu)," he added.

White said Houston has plans in place to deal with an outbreak and officials already have begun to coordinate information with the city's largest employers through human resource firms, just in case.

"Our country, and for that matter our world, is better prepared than ever to deal with public health emergencies," he said.

One Houston City Council member was upset she had so little information about the case and was irritated that the child was allowed into Houston, even though the first public revelation of a swine flu outbreak didn't come until last week.

"The child was not a United States citizen," said Councilwoman Toni Lawrence, who hinted that the city should be involved in deciding whether a patient with an infectious disease would be cleared for transport here.

"I'm very concerned about this disease, I'm very concerned someone died from it and I'm very concerned council wasn't told about this. We need to be aware of this and continue to do things for Houston and not for anybody else."

David Lakey, commissioner of State Health Services, said there are two people in critical condition in the state who are expected to test positive for swine flu. One is a pregnant woman who has given birth to a healthy baby; he declined to give any other details, including locations.

There have been 16 cases reported in Texas so far but still none reported in Houston. The disease is thought to have begun in Mexico but is being detected around the globe.

"We expect to see more confirmations in the next few days, as does the rest of the country," said Kathy Barton, spokeswoman for the Houston Department of Health and Human Services, who added many if not most of the 250 specimens have been submitted to the city from around southeast Texas will come back negative.

Several tests are pending but so far all Houston specimens submitted to the CDC have come back negative except for the one from the dead child. None of the submitted specimens are related to contact with the child, she said.

She added that hospitals that handle any flu cases, swine or otherwise, take precautions to prevent its spread, such as masks, frequent handwashing and other sanitation measures.

"Even though we've been expecting this, it is very, very sad," said Dr. Richard Besser, acting chief of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who made the initial announcement of a Texas death on several nationally televised morning shows today. "As a pediatrician and a parent, my heart goes out to the family."

The five districts that have shut down temporarily are Cleburne in North Texas, Schertz-Cibolo, Comal and New Braunfels near San Antonio and Rio Grande City near the border.

A charter school in Dallas and another in McAllen also closed, along with an elementary school in suburban Dallas where a confirmed case of swine flu was found.

The decision to suspend high school sporting events puts baseball on hold and eliminates regional track championships, said University Interscholastic League Executive Director Charles Breithaupt. He said UIL officials acted on the recommendation of public health officials.

The state golf and tennis championships are scheduled to begin May 11.

The state track meet, one of the largest high school track and field competitions in the country, remains scheduled for May 13-14. But it will require shuffling the schedule significantly.

The closures, plus parents keeping their children home on their own, means thousands of Texas students missed school during an important week of standardized state tests. Texas Education Agency Director Robert Scott said today schools won't be penalized for missed days or TAKS test rescheduling because of the outbreak.

Germany today reported its first three cases of swine flu. The number of confirmed swine flu cases in the United States today rose to 91 in six states, with 51 in New York, 14 in California, two in Kansas, two in Massachusetts, two in Michigan and one each in Indiana, Ohio, Arizona and Nevada, but cities and states suspected more. In New York, the city's health commissioner said "many hundreds" of schoolchildren were ill at a school where some students had confirmed cases.

The world has no vaccine to prevent infection but U.S. health officials aim to have a key ingredient for one ready in early May, the big step that vaccine manufacturers are awaiting. But even if the World Health Organization ordered up emergency vaccine supplies — and that decision hasn't been made yet — it would take at least two more months to produce the initial shots needed for human safety testing.

"We're working together at 100 miles an hour to get material that will be useful," Dr. Jesse Goodman, who oversees the Food and Drug Administration's swine flu work, told The Associated Press.

The U.S. is shipping to states not only enough anti-flu medication for 11 million people, but also masks, hospital supplies and flu test kits. President Barack Obama asked Congress for $1.5 billion in emergency funds to help build more drug stockpiles and monitor future cases, as well as help international efforts to avoid a full-fledged pandemic.

"It's a very serious possibility, but it is still too early to say that this is inevitable," the WHO's flu chief, Dr. Keiji Fukuda, told a telephone news conference.

Cuba and Argentina banned flights to Mexico, where swine flu is suspected of killing more than 150 people and sickening well over 2,000. In a bit of good news, Mexico's health secretary, Jose Cordova, late Tuesday called the death toll there "more or less stable."

Mexico City, one of the world's largest cities, has taken drastic steps to curb the virus' spread, starting with shutting down schools and on Tuesday expanding closures to gyms and swimming pools and even telling restaurants to limit service to takeout. People who venture out tend to wear masks in hopes of protection.

New Zealand, Australia, Israel, Britain, Canada and now Germany have also reported cases. But the only deaths so far have been Mexican citizens, baffling experts.
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I think somebody needs to go ***** slap this woman. Fear leads to panic, and she is on that verge. since when does it matter where somebody is from if they are sick and need medical aid.. Especially a child?

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"The child was not a United States citizen," said Councilwoman Toni Lawrence, who hinted that the city should be involved in deciding whether a patient with an infectious disease would be cleared for transport here.

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that was in Houston. the child was in Brownsville, got sick there in Brownsville, was taken to Houston hospital and died there in the hospital.
I heard that the kid was DOA in houston...what I don't understand is why the would intensionally bring the virus into this country,they could have treated the child down there. maybe they will try and make it mandatory for all kids or even adults to get a shots....
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It's a bad deal all around. Where's the sympathy for the family that lost their child? Hope the city council woman loses her seat and the city is embarrased of her.
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there will be intense feelings on both sides of the fence. People will be scared of this swine flu and the way the media plays on it will incite more fear and panic unless they do a responsible job, and the media has never been responsible.

I agree it is dangerous and I agree we should all take the proper precautions against it. but spreading rumors and not looking for the facts first will only worsen it.

flip the story around.. Texas has thousands sick, Mexico has the best hospitals to care for this, now would you really be that worried about going to Mexico if you knew that's where your child could get the best treatment?
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By WILLIAM J. KOLE and MARIA CHENG, Associated Press Writers William J. Kole And Maria Cheng, Associated Press Writers Thu Apr 30, 12:23 am ET

From Egypt's order that all 300,000 pigs in the country be slaughtered to travel bans and putting the kibosh on kissing, the world is taking drastic and some say debatable measures to combat swine flu.

Egypt ordered the pig slaughter even though there hasn't been a single case of swine flu there and no evidence that pigs have spread the disease. Britain, with only five cases, is trying to buy 32 million masks. And in the United States, President Barack Obama said more of the country's 132,000 schools may have to be shuttered.

At airports from Japan to South Korea to Greece and Turkey, thermal cameras were trained on airline passengers to see if any were feverish. And Lebanon discouraged traditional Arab peck-on-the-cheek greetings, even though no one has come down with the virus there.

All this and more, even though world health experts say many of these measures may not stop the disease from spreading. On Wednesday, the World Health Organization raised its pandemic alert to the second-highest level, meaning it believes a global outbreak of the disease is imminent.

"Scientifically speaking, the main thing is that every virus behaves differently," said Joerg Hacker, president of the Robert Koch Institute, Germany's top public health authority. "At the moment, the main issue is to get to know this virus, how it works."

In Germany, where officials confirmed three cases, Lufthansa announced that starting Thursday it will put a doctor aboard all flights to Mexico, the epicenter of the outbreak.

Experts said that makes sense: The doctors will be able to field questions from uneasy passengers and tend to anyone who might fall ill.

The World Health Organization said total bans on travel to Mexico such as one imposed by Argentina, which hasn't had any confirmed cases were questionable because the virus is already fairly widespread.

Roselyne Bachelot, France's health minister, said she would ask the European Union to suspend all flights to Mexico at a meeting Thursday in Luxembourg.

Travel bans were effective during the 2003 outbreak of SARS in Asia, because that illness can be transmitted only by people who already show symptoms. With flu, by contrast, the incubation period ranges from 24 hours to four days, meaning people often are infectious before they have symptoms.

Health officials don't know enough about swine flu right now to say what the precise incubation period is, but if it's similar to other flu, people are likely able to spread it before they're sick.

"WHO does not recommend closing of borders and does not recommend restrictions of travel," said Dr. Keiji Fukuda, the Geneva-based organization's flu chief. "From an international perspective, closing borders or restricting travel would have very little effect, if any effect at all, at stopping the movement of this virus."

Nor will killing pigs, as Egypt began doing Wednesday, infuriating pig farmers who blocked streets and stoned Health Ministry workers' vehicles in protest. While pigs are banned entirely in some Muslim countries because of religious dietary restrictions, they are raised in Egypt for consumption by the country's Christian minority.

Unlike bird flu, where the H5N1 strain that spread to humans was widespread in bird populations and officials worried about people's exposure to infected birds, WHO says there is no similar concern about pigs and no evidence that people have contracted swine flu by eating pork or handling pigs.

"There is no association that we've found between pigs and the disease in humans," WHO spokesman Dick Thompson said.

But that hasn't stopped governments from banning pig products. Macedonia ordered a halt to all live pig imports and on Tuesday, Mexico City closed down all its popular streetside taco stands for at least a week.

Dr. Nikki Shindo, a WHO flu expert, said the agency will consider requests to stop calling the disease swine flu, since the virus is not food-borne and has nothing to do with eating pork.

U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack and others have suggested a new name, arguing that swine flu implies a problem with pork products. China, Russia and Ukraine are among countries that have banned pork imports from Mexico and parts of the United States affected by swine flu.

But some anti-flu measures have merit, such as Obama's admonition Wednesday that more American schools might have to be closed temporarily if swine flu cases spread. Already tens of thousands of students in Texas, New York, California, Chicago and elsewhere are out of school.

The WHO said closing schools and public places, along with banning or restricting mass gatherings, can be a way to contain the spread of disease. Epidemiologists call it "social distancing," and the idea is simple: If you keep people who have the virus away from others, you can stop the chain of transmission.

"That's a technique we would be recommending in a pandemic," said WHO's Thompson. "We would recommend it to nations as a useful technique to be applied given the special circumstances of each nation."

Officials in Hong Kong, which has no confirmed cases, said workers were scrubbing public toilets every two hours in an effort to improve hygiene.

"Not only will we be stepping up our usual efforts, but also we will make special efforts to make sure that our back alleys, public housing estates, recreation and transportation facilities are thoroughly cleansed and disinfected," said Gabriel Leung, undersecretary for the Food and Health Bureau.

Experts, however, said it's debatable how much good disinfecting public places will do. It probably helps cut down on bacteria and kill viruses lurking on surfaces, but it's unclear whether it would stop person-to-person transmission.

Ditto the advice to stop kissing on the cheek, which was among the earliest measures along with refraining from handshakes to be recommended by authorities in Mexico.

WHO's Thompson was noncommittal on the "don't kiss" advice, saying only: "There are different national circumstances that health officials are going to know far better than we will. It's up to them to make that call."

But at a news conference announcing the elevated pandemic level, WHO chief Margaret Chan went further, suggesting it was time to rethink the traditional three kisses on the cheek popular in Switzerland and elsewhere in Europe. "Perhaps instead of having the traditional three hugs to say hello and welcome your friends, maybe you don't do that anymore," she said. "Don't hold each other and hug their face three times."

The flu virus is airborne and spread through tiny particles mostly through sneezing and coughing. That helps explain why governments worldwide have been distributing millions of face masks, even though the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and other agencies have questioned their effectiveness.

Some doctors warn masks might even be harmful, causing people to take risks like venturing into crowds or neglecting to wash hands in the mistaken belief the mask protects them. More expensive high filtration masks like those used by health professionals can filter out fine particles carried in the air, but even these must be used properly to give real protection.

Other measures, such as installing thermal cameras at airports to screen passengers from infected countries, are simply inconclusive. Scanners were set up across Asia during the SARS outbreak, but officials aren't sure they caught any cases. WHO says the usefulness of such devices is debatable.

Amid the flurry of measures being taken, fear mingled with a sense of fatalism.

"You can't protect yourself not in the way that people are traveling nowadays," said Karin Henriksson, 56, of Stockholm.

"Then you would have to put the entire population in quarantine. And you can't do that, can you?"

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So she's upset because they brought one sick child into the city in a controlled medical environment to get treatment. How many Mexicans, legal or not, have recently visited family back home and could be potentially carrying the virus and interacting with hundreds of people every day in the public. Atleast with the kid, they know those who interacted with him during his treatment and they can be watched for signs of sickness.

I guarantee there are a lot more serious diseases and illnesses that are floating around the hospital he was taken to.

This doesnt need to turn into a Mexico vs. US fight. The people down there dont have the advantage of having the type of medical care that we do. I think they need all the help they can get.

IMO, at this point there is too much hysteria going on about this whole ordeal. So far most of the ones we have heard of dying from it are sick anyway, or dont have access to the proper treatment. It's probably no worse than the standard flue viruses that usually go around. We are just hearing about it more because it's new and the media is hyping it up because that's what they do best.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to just ignore it. All reasonable precautions should be taken to not spread it, as it should be with all diseases/sicknesses.

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So she's upset because they brought one sick child into the city in a controlled medical environment to get treatment. How many Mexicans, legal or not, have recently visited family back home and could be potentially carrying the virus and interacting with hundreds of people every day in the public. Atleast with the kid, they know those who interacted with him during his treatment and they can be watched for signs of sickness.

I guarantee there are a lot more serious diseases and illnesses that are floating around the hospital he was taken to.

This doesnt need to turn into a Mexico vs. US fight. The people down there dont have the advantage of having the type of medical care that we do. I think they need all the help they can get.

IMO, at this point there is too much hysteria going on about this whole ordeal. So far most of the ones we have heard of dying from it are sick anyway, or dont have access to the proper treatment. It's probably no worse than the standard flue viruses that usually go around. We are just hearing about it more because it's new and the media is hyping it up because that's what they do best.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to just ignore it. All reasonable precautions should be taken to not spread it, as it should be with all diseases/sicknesses.

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That's all probably true, but in the issue of why people might have got upset on treating the kid when the kid is from mexico probably falls under the he is not in the medical system deal. We complain and cuss our government out cause they allow illegal to rape our system dry and not contribute to it in any form except the take form. It's hard to draw a line and say this is it," no gray area in this case, if you are from another country and can not pay for the medical care then you can't get free care from the government", especially when it's a kid that's involved.

I feel for the kid, but at the same time I think of how illegal has been killing this country.

Either way, I hope no one falls ill to this flu, and if they do hope they recover fast and not fall victim to it.
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people are bringing this into our country,seems that all cases have traveled form somewhere out of this country. so why not shut the boarders down until they can get a handle on it?

as for having sympathy for the family I do, but to trash a women for wanting more info than what was given to keep it from being spread to innocent unaffected citizens is wrong! If you sent your sick kid to my kids school with an known illness that harmed my
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people are bringing this into our country,seems that all cases have traveled form somewhere out of this country. so why not shut the boarders down until they can get a handle on it?

as for having sympathy for the family I do, but to trash a women for wanting more info than what was given to keep it from being spread to innocent unaffected citizens is wrong! If you sent your sick kid to my kids school with an known illness that harmed my
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is what I did not like. From what she says, if you are from Conroe, Beaumont, San Antonio, Galveston, etc Too damn bad.

and if somebody sends their sick kids to one of the schools my granddaughters go to, I'll be knocking on some doors myself. but they did not send thier sick kid to anybodys school, they took him to the Dr after he got sick. Just like any parent would.
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I agree with Rastus. Her remarks about only looking out for Houston were wrong. As for closing down the borders. What good is that going to do? They'll still be coming over illegally like they have for years. It seems like it turns into a media frenzy when they give it terms like "West Nile" , "Swine Flu" and so on.
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this is all true but geeze some people around here in dfw think its like the plague. i mean c'mon wash your hands and keep lysol handy i think everyone will be fine. the little girl that died probably needed medical attention long before she actually went to the hospital, but just my .2
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I don't think it is any different than when alot of citys and towns would not take Katrina evacuees,her job is to look out for the city she works for. the had medical facility's where they were at already. We could have sent help to them instead if they needed it...
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people are bringing this into our country,seems that all cases have traveled form somewhere out of this country. so why not shut the boarders down until they can get a handle on it?
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here a stat for ya
1 in 4 people get the flu every year
300,000+ are hospitalized every year due to the flu
30,000 people DIE everyear from the flu

what makes this different? Nothing just OUR Govt. placing fear into us, so Obama can look like a savior when all "his" soultions save the world
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this is true. i been doing some research as well, i will get the link once i find it again, the "swine flu" cannot be found in a human, only in animals, it states clearly it can only be transfered from animal to animal, once the "sickness" gets into a humans body (somehow) dont ask. lol. the name changes completley, its still a form of flu because of symptoms and organs it targets, but it is only such an epidemic because its unknown to be found in a human. anyway i cant really put it in good words because half of it was all acientific terms i didnt care to look at but i'll find the link.
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All the quarantine stuff is knee-jerk reactions. It will just run its course like every other strain out there. The very young and the very old are always the hardest hit, just due to immune system and general health factors. Proper nutrution and hygiene are VERY important, which is why lesser developed/poverty-stricken nations always get hit harder.

As far as 'the administration's' reaction... it's all PR. He can't NOT take measures, or he'll appear to not care about people, but can't take extreme measures for fear of economic backlash. It's a lose-lose prospect. I don't like Obama, but any president would have to take the same basic courses of 'action' despite the facts.
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