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Old 02-01-2006, 10:14 PM   #1
 
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Tow Rig: Diesel?...or gas?

I can't believe I'm asking this.

Things (read: fuel prices) have changed a lot since I first crossed over to the oil burner world. The pulling power of a diesel powered tow rig is awesome. I was recently told (on good authority) I won't be happy pulling big loads with a Hemi up too many hills. Still, a used gas motored 350/3500 truck is way cheaper than a diesel.

What about a V10?

Let's take fuel mileage and fuel cost per gallon out of the picture for the sake of this evaluation and discussion. My shopping reveals that used gas-motored V10s (Dodge or Ford) are much less expensive than the same truck with a diesel powerplant. Even when the V10s have way way way less miles on them, they're still way cheaper than a diesel.

If I got a V10 tow rig, would I be cussing myself for not buying a diesel as I limp up every hill with jeep/camper behind?
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The auto hemi's do funny things when pulling a load, they kickdown from 5th gear directly to 3rd or something. It's very annoying that it won't pull the slightest grade in OD.
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If I got a V10 tow rig, would I be cussing myself for not buying a diesel as I limp up every hill with jeep/camper behind?
YES! everyday, and twice on tow days!
IMHO and I have had every make of truck there is. The deisel out pulls a gas engine by alot. Since you already have the rumblebee for everyday driving there is no reason to buy a gas rig. The ease of driving down the highway of a deisel is worth every penny. after all, you are towing your rig to a place to have fun so shouldn't the trip there be enjoyable?
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My 92 only has 160 HP stock, but it's got 400 lbs of torque. I would much rather have that torque than more HP any day of the week. So yes I think you will be kicking yourself over and over.



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I have a 2001 F350 w/ 6.8L V10. I must agree with the diesel. My main irritation is the pinging, something I never considered. There's always a situation where you're in that condition where it wants to ping. I run med grade fuel (89 octane) all the time, even unloaded. Looking back, the diesel would pull the long hills and not look back (pun intended), and I would never have to worry if I'm damaging the engine. When I bought it, I didn't know I would be pulling a 4K lb trailer with a 5K lb rig for long distances.

I know you wanted to ignore fuel mileage and cost. But heres a tidbit.
Pulling the 9K lb rig I get about 9 mpg and can keep it in overdrive most of the time. If I pull a 28' camper, I get to about 65 mph and the wind effect takes over so I can't really go any faster, and it's just marginal on staying in overdrive. With camper I get about 8mpg.
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I have a 2500 dodge hemi and I have been able to tow a fifth wheel (9000 lbs) and a jeep (4000 lbs) behind it and it has gotten me by. My wife recently purchased a F250 Desiel and I agree, I was very impressed with its pulling power. I believe that I will be changing to a Desiel myself in the future. Go with the Desiel.
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Dott you should only 87 octane in the V10 engine. The book says if you run a higher octane it will clatter.
Hatch, I have well over a 100,000 miles on my and might be at your place around the 2-11-06 if you would like a test drive.
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Hatch, have you driven a Titan just to see what they are all about. They come with a tow mode and it works very well. The auto tranny in these is the best I have ever felt operate. It shifts smooth as silk even when towing. It also has a true manual shift mode which can be used in conjunction with the tow/ haul mode. It has a dana 44 rear end and front end with the 4x4 package. The HP rating is 305 and the TQ is 385 and my mileage is 12.5 towing a fully loaded 18' trailer at 75 MPH, no downshifting problems even on the hills going to Katemcy. I will be at Clint's place in Lewisville this friday and back on sunday if you wanted to test drive it with the trailer and rig loaded. I recently installed a K and N free flowing air filter and my mileage picked up by .5 MPG so I will see if it helped when I tow this weekend to Katemcy. My real world unloaded mileage is 17 to 18 on the highway and 16 around town. The engine develops great TQ around 1500 RPMs. The engine turns a lazy 1800 RPMs at 75 MPH in 5th gear on the highway. My pickup weighs 5785 lbs. so it is not light. It is an 04 short bed 4 door 4X4 The downside to the Titan of course is the lack of aftermarket parts so far. There is a company in California that is now reprogramming the computer to increse the HP and TQ and they will change the MPH limit ( why in the world anyone would want to go over 114 is beyond me) and they can change the tranny shift points if you like. I also changed the muffler to a series 40 Flowmaster but other than the sound it did not seem to make a huge difference. I am running Mobile 1 synthetic oil and have changed my tranny fluid every 20,00 miles and that brings up another point. The tranny fluid is $9 a quart but most manufacturers are going to expensive tranny fluids now. The odometer registers 60,000 miles so far. Very pleased with it to date. Would love to have an oil burner myself but the higher cost of fuel and the higher initial purchase cost and higher maintenance cost have kept me with the gas burners.
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Hatch, have you driven a Titan just to see what they are all about. They come with a tow mode and it works very well. The auto tranny in these is the best I have ever felt operate. It shifts smooth as silk even when towing. It also has a true manual shift mode which can be used in conjunction with the tow/ haul mode. It has a dana 44 rear end and front end with the 4x4 package. The HP rating is 305 and the TQ is 385 and my mileage is 12.5 towing a fully loaded 18' trailer at 75 MPH, no downshifting problems even on the hills going to Katemcy. I will be at Clint's place in Lewisville this friday and back on sunday if you wanted to test drive it with the trailer and rig loaded. I recently installed a K and N free flowing air filter and my mileage picked up by .5 MPG so I will see if it helped when I tow this weekend to Katemcy. My real world unloaded mileage is 17 to 18 on the highway and 16 around town. The engine develops great TQ around 1500 RPMs. The engine turns a lazy 1800 RPMs at 75 MPH in 5th gear on the highway. My pickup weighs 5785 lbs. so it is not light. It is an 04 short bed 4 door 4X4 The downside to the Titan of course is the lack of aftermarket parts so far. There is a company in California that is now reprogramming the computer to increse the HP and TQ and they will change the MPH limit ( why in the world anyone would want to go over 114 is beyond me) and they can change the tranny shift points if you like. I also changed the muffler to a series 40 Flowmaster but other than the sound it did not seem to make a huge difference. I am running Mobile 1 synthetic oil and have changed my tranny fluid every 20,00 miles and that brings up another point. The tranny fluid is $9 a quart but most manufacturers are going to expensive tranny fluids now. The odometer registers 60,000 miles so far. Very pleased with it to date. Would love to have an oil burner myself but the higher cost of fuel and the higher initial purchase cost and higher maintenance cost have kept me with the gas burners.

As much as I hate to admit it: The titan has a lot more pulling power than my Vortec 350. And that's all I'm gonna say and I'm sure I'll never hear the end of this on the way to Katemcy this weekend with OldGoat.

P.S. The manual shift in the titan is awesome.
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Buddy of mine has a titan also and loves it!!! Has plenty of power and sounds too damn good w/ those flowmasters on it!!!
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I can understand what Old Goat is saying about the Titan, I am very pleased with my brothers, damn little thing has some power & TQ.
I would never thought that the Titan had that much power!!!!

I am still pleased with my Diesel F250 for towing.
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Ok, Alan, you got a diesel right now, so what do you not like about it? If it the monthly payments, I can understand that. Do what Eric did and go find a 93 or 94 Ford, prices are really good on the older ones. Use it to tow, park it during work time. You do still have your Diesel? Been out of town for a while.
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Ok, Alan, you got a diesel right now, so what do you not like about it? If it the monthly payments, I can understand that. Do what Eric did and go find a 93 or 94 Ford, prices are really good on the older ones. Use it to tow, park it during work time. You do still have your Diesel? Been out of town for a while.
Yes, still have it. Looking to trade down (or sell and buy older). No need for a huge payment on something that is parked 28 days out of 30.

There are no old Titans out there.

I will stick with a diesel. There's cheap oldies out there, but too many have auto trans. A high mileage auto worries me.

FWIW, I bought a NEW '92 F350 SRW 4x4 with a 351 and 5 speed and hauled a backhoe all over God's green earth with no memories of "she ain't gonna make it." I had over 100k miles on that truck when I sold it and she was still running strong. [What a great project base she would be today!!]. 6-7 mpg hauling the backhoe LOL
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