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Old 01-09-2007, 06:32 PM   #1
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What makes this OK?

http://www.douglasdispatch.com/artic...news/news3.txt

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/ind...dest=STY-81801

http://www.kptv.com/news/10677961/detail.html


I am less than 15 miles from one of the biggest "alien" roundups ever. I have always done my best to understand ones desire to better themselves by coming to our country. In fact I have had countless "helpers" that were less than legit.....

NOW,how can it be ok for the same people who once crossed the border in a peacefull manner to start entering our country carrying firearms? AND,just why cant our guardsmen/border patrol do anything about it except tuck tail and run?

Guess I should have a extra set of keys to my house made & just mail em across the border to a random address.......cause it looks as though the days of being able to protect our country are long gone. Lets protect some sand pile across the ocean instead.

It makes me wonder what all the brave people serving our country are really serving.....
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:48 PM   #2
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Given a few minutes to cool down,i have thought over a few possible issues.

Is the National Guard/Border Patrol instructed to allow such stuff to happen?

Is the reason because the us government doesnt want to make waves with a neighbor country?

I have never had a issue with our military or its decisions,but this one act against the us border rather bothers me.

What if it wasnt mexican drug dealers? What if it was a serious attack on on the US? Not by mexico of course,but by another enemy simply using mexico as a staging area for a much bigger campain?
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Are men and women who are at the borders should have to right to shoot and ask questions later if someone is entering our country illegally with weapons.
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Two National Guard soldiers and three Border Patrol agents remain hospitalized. There is no word yet on the cause.
you can bet the reason wasnt from running....
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You remember when they shot and killed that young boy , several years ago. I'll bet that is the reason the no rifles is in effect. No army could mass at the border, without the US knowing about it. I think the guard is just there to run all the electronic stuff and help spot illegals. Border Patrol gets to pick them up.
If someone on our side were killed, I sure arms would be issued to all. Just my $.05 cents worth
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You remember when they shot and killed that young boy , several years ago. I'll bet that is the reason the no rifles is in effect. No army could mass at the border, without the US knowing about it. I think the guard is just there to run all the electronic stuff and help spot illegals. Border Patrol gets to pick them up.
If someone on our side were killed, I sure arms would be issued to all. Just my $.05 cents worth
Why wait til one of ours is killed before we arm our borders? They should be armed TO DEFEND OUR BORDER. Not run from illigals. Why waste national guards men to sit and call when they see something??? Why can't they catch'em????
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That's where it's heading now with the Patriot Act. Armed borders, Passports will be required to cross borders by Jan. 1, 2008. What was once free is quickly becoming not free. Everybody is paranoid. Folks talk and act like all this is something new with in the past 2 yrs or so when it became popular to hate illegals or just to hate.

Defending our borders from drug smuggling and terrorists is something that the Border Patrol needs help with apparently. They have always been under staffed and probably under paid as well. the population continues to grow, there is a lot more traffic between the US and Mexico, the demand for illegal drugs has increased and will continue to. So you have the Natl guard and the Border Patrol both working the borders, and they have to try and determine who is doing what. Is it just another swimmer, or is it a swimmer with an agenda. but the Natl guard is not allowed to do anything other than observe. Quote" The National Guard plays no direct law enforcement role in any apprehension, custodial care or security of anyone who is detained. Members of the Guard support border security efforts by participating on entry identification teams, operating cameras, monitoring remote video surveillance systems, repairing vehicles, and constructing and maintaining tactical infrastructure. Taking over these duties, which before the Guard’s arrival were frequently performed by Border Patrol agents, frees Border Patrol agents to concentrate on border enforcement." end quote

while the media tries to create their own war..
Headline from East Valley Tribune.

Gunmen attack Border Patrol before retreating

then we see in the third paragraph..

" He said the troops withdrew safely, no shots were fired and no one suffered injuries."

So who Attacked who, or did the Natl. Guardsmen withdraw and let the Border Patrol resolve the situation as per orders?
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NOW,how can it be ok for the same people who once crossed the border in a peacefull manner to start entering our country carrying firearms?
Because it's not the same people who are trying to get here and work or make $$ for their families. It's drug runners and criminals.

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Is the National Guard/Border Patrol instructed to allow such stuff to happen?
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Is the reason because the us government doesnt want to make waves with a neighbor country?
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What if it wasn't Mexican drug dealers? What if it was a serious attack on on the US? Not by Mexico of course,but by another enemy simply using Mexico as a staging area for a much bigger campaign?
That's part of the reason why the Natl. guard is there with electronics, and satellite recon.

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Why wait til one of ours is killed before we arm our borders? They should be armed TO DEFEND OUR BORDER. Not run from illigals. Why waste national guards men to sit and call when they see something??? Why can't they catch'em????
Our borders are armed. the Natl Guard is not just sitting. Homeland Security wants it all armed, closed forbidden. They are using the Patriot Act to justify it.





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Thanks Rastus for helping make sence of it all. The more i read,the more i think the press made it out to be more than it was. But,then again I hate to see our "protectors" have to run from trouble.
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