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Old 01-11-2008, 11:16 PM   #1
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Abandon vehicles and code enforcement..

Ok guys I need some help. Im pretty much solo on this. Im 19 and work for everything ive got. I was kicked out 3 weeks after i graduated highschool and was lucky enough to have my grandparent allow me to stay with them. Ive always seemed to learn things the hard way but was never a bad kid. Stayed away from drugs and the like and did pretty well in school. When I left all i had was a my truck, a garbage bag of clothes and what lil savings i had. I since gotten back on my feet and after some rough spots. I now work at a oil refienery working a dupont schedule as a heavy equipment operator. Ive gathered quite a few tools and have come along way. Well i love to wheel and its a bit of an addiction. Its also becomin a nuisance aparently.
Ive got the city ridin me about my trucks. I keep my them at a house a few houses down from where my grandparents and I live. The house belongs to my grandparents and is where I grew up. It has a nice 2 car garage tha i use as my shop a decent sized backyard and a roughly 100ft x 40ft spot behind the back fence and garge that we use to park my grandpas company trailer and store my trucks. The first is a 85 k20 on 40's painted chevy blue with a very straight body and runs and drives. Its has current registration but due to a crappy carb, no e brake cable(pervious owner just hacked it off as it exited the body) and a blown frontend i cant get it inspected. This was my dd while i was in highschool. I had trouble getting the title transfered, after being pulled over by dps it was parked until i got the problem corrected. It sat for the past 18months until just this halloween that i was able to get it taken care of. I plan to put my new frontend in over my next long change and replace the carb as soon as it comes in. Ive got all the part to do so just havent had everything built or collected yet. I also have a 88k5 on 1 tons and 38's thats lime green. This one is registered until the end of january but also has bad inspection. Both vehicles are complete in one piece or do apear to be from the outside. The blazer started as a 1/2 ton with a bad frezee plug, a blown rear end and a trashed tranny. I had perviously purchased a rust bucket with 1tons and so the swap began. It now sits on 1tons and i have just recived my steering componets. The kicker for it has been the motor since it is fuel injection ive had some serious trouble gettin it going. After replacing most of the ignition system i think i may have finnally narrowed it down to a bad distributor. Other than than i just need a rear drive shaft made and time to complete it. I want to try and make this a trail only truck but aparently i cant do that since its not inspected i cant have it on my property and both my trucks are considered abandon or junk vehicles according to the city.

What can I do? Do I have any chance to keep them or am i screwed? I love to wrench but this is starting to really drain me and almost make it not worth it anymore. The neighbors beside me have had a problem with my family from when i was very young and are not liked by many in the neighborhood. Through a friend a city hall i was able to find out they file one complaint a day on my property. They also call the police if im in the garge or otherwise past 9:30 as a noise disturbance.

How am able to enjoy state funded parks such as brma if I cant even keep a vehicle I built to use there on my own personal property?


Neither have horrible damage and are actually really clean. Well after dealing with the city back and forth for the past year and a half. Im now being told that i will now be issued a tickect for these vehicle and they must be removed or they will be impounded at $200+ a day.

Any advice or help yall can give would be greatly apperciated. Sorry for the book just wanted to have a little background on the situation 1st.

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you know anyone who has a shop or a storage lot you can store them at? Will either of them fit in the garage at the house? maybe a outdoor storage lot at one of the storage rental places around town?

I agree, nosy neighbors and code compliance makes life hard for wheelers and for folks in general who like to do their own work. I've been to court over this crap once.
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Ya I can move them if need be. Just have to winch the blazer up on a trailer. And i could probally keep them at the lot at work for a while. My biggest thing is if I move em to storage then ill never be able to finsh them. Im looking for a shop that I could possibly rent and build a small apartment in. That would be ideal. Ive already out grown my garage and most parts are in the back yard. The garage is just for tools now. I picked my bender today well sorta i cant get it for another 2 weeks but its mine as soon as hes done with it.

Does any1 know if I moved the fence back would that slove the problem? Theres a alley behind the house which makes keeping things conceal a challenge.

Ratus any pointers if i do end up in court over this. I can name 20 other loactions worse than mine that havent change in the last 2 years.. POSSIBLE filing of harrasment if it gets that far. idk just thinking out loud.

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See if getting an offroad sticker will make any difference.

If you can leave them on a trailer that is legal that might also solve the problem.
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no, I have no pointers on courts.. some of the other guys might.

Probably be in your best interest to move them as soon as you can, get the nosy neighbors off your back and make the cops happy too.. they hate it as much as you do most times.. it's a nuisance for them and they would much rather be doing something else. plus you would not be worrying over it. I don't think moving the fence will change anything
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Tell the city that they are race cars/mud bog trucks

i would be willing to be that if you went around your town being as nosy are you neighbors have been You will find at least a dozen unregistered dirt track cars and other special purpose vehicles

Just cause joe schmo can do it but you cant makes the laws useless Its a double standard.

And chances are joe schmo is related to someone on the city council or is the mayors brother in law.


More or less find places that have more junky vehicles than yours and take pics and document the address's and say well what about 121 anywhere lane he has 4 old cars sitting around none with registration.
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Can the rigs in question be seen in your back yard by others from the street? Or does some one have to look over the fence to see them? are you in one of the dreded HOA area's?

By Texas law as long as the vehicles are registerd there good to go ij the states eye's as long as they are in your name and parked on your own property. ( unless there is a HOA restiction ) The inspection sticker only means there legal to drive on the street.

If they are parked in your own back yard or garage hiden from view of the street tell um to **** off ( unless it is resticted by a HOA ) and also if they are in your back yard conceled by a fence and the niehbors are complainig file invasion of privacy / harassment charges on them for looking over your fence.

Most towns have a standard noise law for after 10pm you will have to look into the time for your own town. And a good rule of thumb is to wrap up the noisey stuff 30 min. before that time.
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When code compliance started giving me trouble I went to there web site to learn the code. The best I can say is it`s not very clear.I did learn that I could not park in the grass.I can put down some gravel,or pavers,or asphalt,or cement,and park on that legally.Before I had the problem I asked a code compliance officer if it was legal to park there,and was told yes. I also found out that I can park in the street,legally.
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Fined out your local codes out first. In print worded in english. And work from there. HOA have bum codes but u can work around them most of the time. They have all this imfo at the city for you. Go learn it. Alot of places you can cover them or put up cover fences. But alot of places dont allow cars to be parked or drove over the grass.


Do this if you cant work thing out.
Go ask the neighbors what you can do to make everyone happy. After you fined out the codes. Have them in hand to show them. If there shitty about it. Turn the books on the neighbors. Fine stuff wrong with them and file on them. Them rules work both ways. Tell them sence you have no more time to injoy your hobie tell them your now interested in there bussness. this is if the **** hit the fans.
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it is not a HOA no it is the city that is on him we have been told that motorsports vehicles are exempt from this in the state of texas does any one on here know anything about this because i cvant seem to find anything on it on the internet?
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By Texas law as long as the vehicles are registerd there good to go ij the states eye's as long as they are in your name and parked on your own property. ( unless there is a HOA restiction ) The inspection sticker only means there legal to drive on the street.
where can i find this info? i am friends with txblazer and he is working days right now so i am on here tryin to figure some of this out
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Kid,

I had the exact same problem and I asked the "Head inspector" to meet me at my property and show me what was wrong.

Be EXTREMELY polite.

All I had to do was to change from a 4' chain link fence in the front to a 7' wood fence.

I live in Baytown and this stopped the inspector harrassing me.

Definitely learn the code around texas city.

Communication with the correct people is key.

Ask for three months to "get cash together" so you can move them, if need be.

Unless the guy is just a real dick, he will probably let you.



As far as the neighbors are concerned, fight fire with fire.

If you see ONE thing that is an enfringement of code, call it in.

It straightened my neighbor out real quick.



One other thought.

You might just have to get some smaller tires and wheels and roll two trucks into your garage.

It would be better to be inconvenienced for awhile than to totally loose your investments.

Again, I live in baytown and if I can do anything, just let me know.
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Can the rigs in question be seen in your back yard by others from the street? Or does some one have to look over the fence to see them? are you in one of the dreded HOA area's?

By Texas law as long as the vehicles are registerd there good to go ij the states eye's as long as they are in your name and parked on your own property. ( unless there is a HOA restiction ) The inspection sticker only means there legal to drive on the street.

If they are parked in your own back yard or garage hiden from view of the street tell um to **** off ( unless it is resticted by a HOA ) and also if they are in your back yard conceled by a fence and the niehbors are complainig file invasion of privacy / harassment charges on them for looking over your fence.

Most towns have a standard noise law for after 10pm you will have to look into the time for your own town. And a good rule of thumb is to wrap up the noisey stuff 30 min. before that time.
CHECK THE CODES IN YOUR AREA 1ST !!!!

In my area the vehicle DOES NOT even have to be registered
BUT it must be on an "improved surface" & it does have to start & move IF it can be seen from the street or alley.

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Call the code office & request a copy of the codes for your area.

DO NOT LET THEM TELL YOU "IT HAS TO BE REGISTERED" !!!!

Thats a load of CRAP.

Registration = a FEE to use the roads & highways nothing more. THIS INCLUDES PARKING IN THE STREET.


If its not being used "on the road" it DOES NOT have to be registered PERIOD


and YES IM SPEAKING FROM EXPERENCE ON THIS !

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Kid,

I had the exact same problem and I asked the "Head inspector" to meet me at my property and show me what was wrong.

Be EXTREMELY polite.
DO NOT invite them ON or INTO your property ie fenced back yard or building!!!!

That can open up a real big can of worms.

Just my 2 cents.

As you can see this really pushes my button.
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You must have valid registration to park in the street,or drive it on the street.
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You must have valid registration to park in the street,or drive it on the street.
Correct

but they tried to make me get registration for a truck PARKED IN MY DRIVEWAY.

I guess I was to vague.

I did edit my previous post to include parking.
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have a chat with your neighbor and see what ya'll can work out if not let me know as i would be happy to be like my neighbors and let the boom box go till 10pm daily! and at 10 shut it all down on the dot.

make where you park them in the grass an improved area stick a few pavers down as to not have the tires on the grass... i have been barking in my yard for many many years and have never been told anything different... stupid neighbors, thats why i want some land to live on
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for future reference to anyone being harassed by there city for not being up to code. here is a list for all municipal codes sorted by city and state for the whole north america.

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Call the code office & request a copy of the codes for your area.

DO NOT LET THEM TELL YOU "IT HAS TO BE REGISTERED" !!!!

Thats a load of CRAP.

Registration = a FEE to use the roads & highways nothing more. THIS INCLUDES PARKING IN THE STREET.


If its not being used "on the road" it DOES NOT have to be registered PERIOD


and YES IM SPEAKING FROM EXPERENCE ON THIS !
well according to our city is is supposed to be registered or inspected but i have heard about a motorsports vehicle loophole by the state and state laws supersede city laws no matter what and if you can show where it is written that says the vehicle does not have to be registered it would be very appreciated.
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Not necessarily, local laws can be stricter than state laws. In that case, the local law would need to be followed. On the other hand, a local law can not be looser and override a state/federal law.

Regardless, the only state law that I know of is that a vehicle must be registered and inspected for it to be operated on public roads. Otherwise there is nothing stating that a vehicle must be registered and inspected.
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Ok guys here an update.

I was off today and took care of a few things. The blazer is now in my name and has up to date registration so that should help.
I picked up a set of pad locks and locked all four gates and put up no tresspasing signs on each one.
Also, I moved every vehicle on the property to a diffrent spot and took b4 and after pics to show proof of operatibilty.

I had a talk with the supervisor of the municipal courts. I specificaly asked for a listing of all the codes and city ordinances that were currentyly avaliable. Instead of a list i was given a website. www.municode.com
It contains codes for most cities in the united states.
I ve been lookin through it and only found a few things thus far..

Sec. 62-112. Junked or abandoned vehicles.
(a) Definitions. As used in this section, the following words and terms shall have the meanings ascribed in this subsection:

(1) Junked vehicle means a vehicle that is self-propelled and:

a. Does not have lawfully attached to it:

1. An unexpired license plate; or

2. A valid motor vehicle inspection certificate; and

b. Is:

1. Wrecked, dismantled or partially dismantled, or discarded; or,

2. Inoperable and has remained inoperable for more than:

i. 72 consecutive hours, if the vehicle is on public property; or,

ii. 30 consecutive days, if the vehicle is on private property.

(2) Demolisher means any person whose business is to convert a motor vehicle into processed scrap or scrap metal or otherwise to wreck or dismantle motor vehicles.

(3) Antique car means a passenger car or truck that is at least 35 years old.


So it seems like the truck is fine but the blazer is still in hot water. Though from a legal stand point this is only day one of it being un operational while being registered in my name so i may have some slack there. I found nothing about being required to have it on an improved surface, but i make throw a few pavers stones down just for cya purposes. Worst case senario i talked to jdking this evening about storing his trailer at my place rather than taking up space in his driveway and keeping the blazer on it until I get my own in a few months.


(b) Declaration of nuisance; violations; penalty.

(1) A junked vehicle or vehicle part that is located in a place where it is visible from a public place or public right-of-way is detrimental to the safety and welfare of the general public, tends to reduce the value of private property, invites vandalism, creates fire hazards, constitutes an attractive nuisance creating a hazard to the health and safety of minors, and is detrimental to the economic welfare of the city by producing urban blight adverse to the maintenance and continuing development of the city,and is a public nuisance.

(2) Any person commits an offense if that person maintains a public nuisance as determined under this section.

(3) A person who commits an offense under this section is, on conviction, subject to a fine in accordance with section 1-7. On conviction, the court shall order removal and abatement of the nuisance.

(4) A complaint concerning a public nuisance shall be filed in the municipal court of the city if the public nuisance, as provided under this section, is not removed and abated and a hearing is not requested within the ten-day period provided by subsections (d)(1) and (2) of this section.

So if I place a tarp over said nuisance it would become unviewable and therefore no longer in violation correct? I have a 40ft tarp that would work quite well...

(c) Responsibility for administration; right of entry; abatement policy. The director of community development, or a city employee under his direction, shall administer the provisions of this section, except that the removal of vehicles or vehicle parts from property may be by any other authorized person. The director of community development, or a city employee under his direction, shall have authority to enter upon any private property for the purposes specified in this section, to examine vehicles or vehicle parts, obtain information as to the identity of the vehicle, and remove or cause the removal of a vehicle or vehicle part that constitutes a nuisance. It is the policy of the city to abate and remove junk vehicles or vehicle parts as public nuisances from private property, public property or public rights-of-way and to implement the abatement and removal by the use of the procedures established in this section.




So basically I cant keep any type of spare parts on my own private property? This seems like total BS! Its called private property for a reason. Why does this give them abilty to come onto my property to examine anything? Isnt that invasion of privacy?

I still havent been sent anything offically so I guess im just preparing for the worse and hoping for the best. Tommorow I plan on goin around and taking pictures of properties in simular condition to mine or worse. Theres several hundred and many are in much nicer neighborhoods than mine.

Also, I went to the public records office and requested a list of every single police callout or complaint to my address and any related info for the past year. After talkin to a few friends that are officers this was suggested on grounds of harrassment if it comes down to that. Ive also heard rumor of a law regaurding motorsport vehicles in the state of texas that superceedes all the ablove... anyone ever heard of this magical law or better yet have any info?

On a side note does anyone know of any avalible shops for rent, lease or looking to selling outright? Looking for something somewhat close to texas city and the surrounding area with additional parking perferably with 3 phase power and a high ceiling.

Thanx guys,

Cory
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Heres a pic from the right side of the propertry standing in the alleyway. Old pic I was in the middle of 1 ton swap...e

The 3/4 ton in question as well parked in the back.


Heres a pic facing the rightside towards the neighbors( ones that hate me) fence.
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