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Old 11-20-2014, 06:56 AM   #1
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Dana 60 Front Problem - Gear related...i think

I'm having an issue with the front of my 60. Specs are G2 5.13s, welded, USA alloy 4340 shafts, flanges. I was swapping the yokes out and noticed that it's hard to turn the front tires by hand. (Front end is jacked up) I pulled the flanges and the outer hubs spin freely, but when I try to spin the gears, it forces me to use a pry bar to even rotate the gears and shafts. Could this be attributed to the welded front? (read that in a thread in Pirate Gen4x4) Gears were new and have three trips on them. Pulled the cover and nothing is noticeably wrong. I drove it in the shop without issue. I used a crush sleeve (i think) to set up the gears and now I have no idea what the issue may be.

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Old 11-20-2014, 09:35 AM   #2
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Pull shafts, and check backlash at ring gear. If it can move by hand to check, then your carrier isn't locked up. The pinion would be the issue. If you can't move it, or if there is no backlash, then back up and punt (start over with the whole setup).
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Pull shafts, and check backlash at ring gear. If it can move by hand to check, then your carrier isn't locked up. The pinion would be the issue. If you can't move it, or if there is no backlash, then back up and punt (start over with the whole setup).
The carrier is welded, but Ill pull the shafts and see if things change. Maybe an inner is bent .
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:59 AM   #4
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I'd start by pulling the cover. You should be able to see if there BL with the shafts in it.
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Cover is pulled. No issues that I can see visibly. No chipped teeth and all of the bolts are still tight. It still has backlash.

Also pulled the flanges and the wheels spin freely so I know nothing is broken inside the wheel hub like a bad bearing, etc.

Ill pull the shafts and see if that changes anything, just not looking forward to it.
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Also consider, when turning it at the wheels, your going through the ratio. Which in turn is trying to spin the pinion very fast and is harder to do. Hope that made since....it's like starting out in 4th gear from a stop.
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Also consider, when turning it at the wheels, your going through the ratio. Which in turn is trying to spin the pinion very fast and is harder to do. Hope that made since....it's like starting out in 4th gear from a stop.
that makes sense, but now Im trying to spin the yoke and it needs a pry bar to help me rotate things.
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Old 11-20-2014, 12:10 PM   #8
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that makes sense, but now Im trying to spin the yoke and it needs a pry bar to help me rotate things.
I would think that if it were a pinion preload problem, it would have showed up sooner. Did you use a case spreader to shim the carrier?
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I did not use a case spreader.
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Pull shafts, and check backlash at ring gear. If it can move by hand to check, then your carrier isn't locked up. The pinion would be the issue. If you can't move it, or if there is no backlash, then back up and punt (start over with the whole setup).
X2, pull the axles and try to spin again, process of elimination....L
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I just set up my gears with all new parts. Without shafts it spins smooth and with some slight drag on it. But can still rotate pinion by hand. Shafts in I need a pry bar on the pinion.
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Old 11-20-2014, 01:44 PM   #12
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Yep, thats the plan. I cant find a reason not to at this point. I dont really want to setup the gears with the axle in the truck, but it may come down to it.
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I just set up my gears with all new parts. Without shafts it spins smooth and with some slight drag on it. But can still rotate pinion by hand. Shafts in I need a pry bar on the pinion.
Hmmmmmmmm....very good to know. I am going crazy in my mind.
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I tried the same with my 14B (spooled). I jacked it up and the tires rotated freely with just me spinning the tire my hand. Im guessing because its a no steering axle it will have less rotational resistance (ie axle shaft u-joints).

I think im going to pull the shafts anyways (need to repack my wheel bearings due to my last mudding trip)...never again by the way, and see what happens.

Thanks for the suggestions guys.
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That's a good point about the u-joints. The toe-in on the alignment would make you have to manipulate the ujoints even if it is steered 'straight'.
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I tried the same with my 14B (spooled). I jacked it up and the tires rotated freely with just me spinning the tire my hand. Im guessing because its a no steering axle it will have less rotational resistance (ie axle shaft u-joints).

I think im going to pull the shafts anyways (need to repack my wheel bearings due to my last mudding trip)...never again by the way, and see what happens.

Thanks for the suggestions guys.
You have said that before.... Ha

Hope you get it figured out
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You need to pull it apart. I can spin my front and rear easily by hand at the pinion, fully loaded, with tires/wheels mounted.
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Yep. I pulled things apart and installed the new 1410 yoke and things magically started to spin freely. I knew something was wrong but couldnt figure it out. I checked the backlash and it was within specs. so....anyways, it works great now.
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