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Old 11-20-2012, 09:58 AM   #1
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Gooseneck towing

With Rastus bringing up the building a gooseneck idea, I figure it's time to get other gooseneck input. What length trailer would you want to call max for towing with a single wheel truck? I guess weight would be of concern as well, and a lot of that would be dictated by gvwr.. Lets say 3/4 ton crew cab shortbed truck, 40' be too much? How about in a single cab longbed? I know your wheelbase does have some effect on towing, so obviously the longer wheelbase the better . How many guys have towed 2 rigs on a GN with a 3/4 ton? Any concerns? Just curious as I have my dreams/hopes set on hauling a GN in 2 year or so with my living quarters on it as well as 2 rigs, so I am looking at a 36-40' trailer to fit it all.. Just wanting people's real life input on everything.
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40' is a whole lot of trailer. I'm planning to find a 27-30' GN to build some living quarters on the front like your setup. That should be pretty manageable weight. 40' gooseneck weighs about 8K lbs?? Plus two rigs and living quarters...you gotta take legality issues into consideration...if not consider braking/ power issues and safety concerns...wouldn't want to roll into a bus load of nuns now would ya??
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I towed Reddogs blazer and Chaparro's CJ to Gilmer with Reddogs old Ford f350 4door. ( I forget what length his trailer was, I think 32' ) It did ok. but I sure would have preferred a dually. that much weight, and a blow out on a SRW is a recipe for disaster IMO.
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I towed Reddogs blazer and Chaparro's CJ to Gilmer with Reddogs old Ford f350 4door. ( I forget what length his trailer was, I think 32' ) It did ok. but I sure would have preferred a dually. that much weight, and a blow out on a SRW is a recipe for disaster IMO.
How did your setup pull with your dually to Trees?
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That's why I said alot is dictates by gvwr as far as weight is concerned.. I don't know what my truck is rated at off top of my head. 40' is a lot of trailer but figure my rig is 14' end to end, another rig will be about same, that's 28' already. Living quarters for 3 people to be comfortable needs at least 8'(I will have shower, functioning bathroom etc.). That 36' right there with everything touching, so 40' would be about right. Now if the parks allowed side by sides, I'd get one of those for rig 2 and call it good, then id need 14' for my rig 5' or so for sxs, an 8 for quarters, an I could do that on a 32 easy enough.. I'd prefer to go the 32' route personally, but at same time I want the wife to be able to go on any trip, and with no side by sides at k2, trees, and other places that would not work out for getting the family involved..
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My buddy had an '06 2500 duramax. CC regular bed. Towed 2 rigs to KOH from Dallas a few years ago. They were on short deck for weight "savings" He said any heavier and it wouldn't have been worth it. Don't recall their total weight though.

I know he had a mild tune, exhaust, trans shift kit and airbags in the back.

Lot of guys I know from Lousianna pull double with their ford f350s, but again they are on a shorter trailer.

I would think to go to a 40' with LQ and 2 rigs ur gonna have to go dually, or at least 1 ton.
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That's one of my biggest worries as well Kenny, seriously debated converting mine to dually. I need to regear it anyways, and a 4.10 dually rear is easy enough to find.
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Looks like the gcwr (meant this earlier when I said gvwr) is 20000, trailer is 12,500 on my f250, funny on the dually f350 it is only 12900... Have to take that in to consideration for sure. If that's the average rating, then there are a ton of overweight setup a out there on the roads..
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How did your setup pull with your dually to Trees?
pulled good, and when River Rat and I went to Las Cruces, it pulled good then as well. I really really want a Cummins powered tow rig but for the time being the 454 does the job.. just need a running start on those big *** hills. Had a blowout on the way to Las Cruces on the back of the dually, sure was happy I had a dually right about then
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RVreddog had trouble with the DPS when he had his trailer. that's another consideration too. I think cause the trailer has duals as well as his dually, they wanted to call it a commercial rig
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I fit my blazer and militias stretched CJ on a 27' lowboy with no issues. The length of the second vehicle only needs to be measured to the rear wheels. The travel trailer I just got is 31' and my srw truck pulled it fine. It didn't like the wind though, but you shouldn't have that issue with a regular gooseneck. I even thought about trying to put my whole travel trailer on a 40' goose, but that would just be retarded. Seems cheaper to buy things ready to go now a days.
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Even measuring tithe rear wheels, we are only talking a 2' difference though I bet. My rig would still be 14' regardless, second rig would be another jeep so still looking at 12' I bet. In all honesty the side by side would be best for. Second rig, just hard to justify when they aren't allowed at these places. All the 2nd one is for is for the wife and the lil one to be able to putt around in and just see things, not to so anything extreme by any means. If it was a full sized rig, prolly talking a jeep on 35s or so. Capable enough to get around and do the smaller stuff, but not gonna go up widow maker or Hannibal with it lol.
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I pull double with mine.

My tow rig is an 03 duramax SWB CC. It has a 120HP tuner, exhaust and intake, gears are 3.73. I'd put it around 400HP and 700TQ. My trailer is a light 27' ghetto job. Trailer and rigs are in the neighborhood of 10K so around 16K GVW.

I would not want to pull any more weight than I am pulling with my truck and I would not want any less power than what I have. My truck does have a little issue with the allison sticking in gear on hard downshifts to 4th, so I try to manually control that shift or keep it in OD. Even without that issue I would not just set the cruise and let it pound the transmission to death. On small grades I can hold speed to 70PMH at 15-20psi boost(bout 1/2 throttle). Big grades I set the boost and if speed falls to 60 I downshift manually to finish the climb.

I hauled from Stephenville to Clayton and back and it was a job in the hills. Like I say I could just bury the throttle, but unless you have deep pockets its not a good idea.
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In my experience and power aside, since SRW/DRW have the same power capabilities. Total weight & wind resistance have had the most impact..when both are high, a dual wheel truck makes a huge difference in stability.
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Buddy has a 40' dual tandem (4 Tires) two rigs one 4300 lbs the other 4100 lbs. It's been pulled with both a dully and my srw. It's a pig to pull. Stay as short and light as you can. My truck is a 7.3 with a Bully Dog on tow haul and it didn't like it at all. There was a thread either here or on pirate about tandem trailers and pulling with a srw. I thought it was about you having to have a dully to pull them. I had a 26' aluminum bed triple axle that pulled a lot better.
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I think that was mainly because he had tandem duals, making it a 20K trailer. Same issue with triple single 7Ks.

I threw the tread on a rear of a SWR 1 ton pulling my GN. Was kinda scary but the "innertube" held air til we stopped. You need to be very careful of loading and air pressures and load rating if you'r goin to load up SRW. I feel a lot safer with duals, don't even have to really worry about tire pressure so much.
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I think that was mainly because he had tandem duals, making it a 20K trailer. Same issue with triple single 7Ks.

I threw the tread on a rear of a SWR 1 ton pulling my GN. Was kinda scary but the "innertube" held air til we stopped. You need to be very careful of loading and air pressures and load rating if you'r goin to load up SRW. I feel a lot safer with duals, don't even have to really worry about tire pressure so much.
The stability of duals is great. I loved that about my old dually.
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you can get a single wheel truck with the same weight rating as a DRW the only advantage to the DRW is you get more stability when you are hauling high profile loads..... The way I look at it is as long as its legal and you can get your load place right go for it

I also used to drive a flatbed over the road so I guess Im not as apprehensive as most when it comes to haulin loads
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That's 40ft of deck, about 30k gross. The thing about the longer trailers is the pin weight. I was over the axle rating with that setup and it was the only way to fit everything on there. Granted your planned setup probably wouldn't weigh as much as this did seeing as it will have living quarters on the front, that's still going to be a lot for a SRW truck to handle. There's just a lot of deck between the pin and the first axle. A DRW is going to be much safer and controllable.

Not to mention, that dang sure is a lot of length to maneuver around. And I was used to pulling it every day!
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You could do it with a 40' dual tandem but will be seriously over loaded.

Trailer 8-10k
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Can over 2-3k
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That's gonna be 22k+ pounds. The trailer will handle it fine. The truck will pull it but Definitly not rated for it. Your fuel mileage will be terrible pulling that much weight. I've pulled 30k with a dodge dually. It would do it, but Im sure if I did it often it would tear the truck up.
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I prefer a dually. Stability is king. And the advantage of having 2 more back tires. My ford did do well tho with 2 rigs. On rough highways it did seem to wonder and be unstable.

I bought a 36' lowboy GN for the weight savings but still have the length rarer than another deckover. I've had a few of those. I don't haul equipment or anything overly heavy. Just wheeling rigs.

I think my GN weighs about 5000#. A tall deck I. The same length would be 7000#+.

I don't think length is as much of a concern as much as the type of trailer your hauling. Tall deck vs lowboy
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