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Old 08-27-2007, 03:02 PM   #1
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Need some build direction

What drive train to use.
I have an 82 Toyota pickup with a 22r stock transmission, stock t-case on 35s. I have a set of 1-tons with 4.10s, D60 and 14bolt, and some 44" boggers. Money is exteremly tight on this build so I don't even know where to start. My original plan was 22r dual case, and later upgrade to the 4.7s in the rear case. How ever I don't think the 22r will like 44s for very long.
3.93 x 2.27 x 2.27 x 4.1= 83:1
3.93 x 2.27 x 4.7 x 4.1 = 171:1
So I thought of the 4.3 swap to keep it light and using the toyota tranny and t-cases. but I don't think the Toyota tranny will handle the 4.3 and 44s.
Then the idea of the 4.3/465/208 came to mind as a cheaper alterantive.
6.55 x 2.72 x 4.1 = 73:1
But I still don't know if that would be enough to spin 44s if I needed to.
350 swap has it advantages and disadvantages as well.
So I guess my overall question is what drive train would you use and why...money being the biggest object.
I am starting to gather parts and hope to start building this winter.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:37 PM   #2
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First one what type of wheeling you plan on doing.

Second you'll need lower gear's in them axle. The doubler aint enough gear to move it.

I think the cheapest route is the 4.3/465/208. \


im run the 4.3/th350 to double toy t-case setup. But ive got 6.72 gears to. makes i big difference.
You can get the toy leaf spring to bolt to the 60 an 14 pretty eazy.
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I want it to do the best in rocks, second in everything else. I am planing on using chevy 52s up front and 56s in the rear. Gears in the axles are going to have to come in the future...that chunk of change will set me back for some time.
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82 toyota single cab short bed. The Cockroach.
72 K5... soon to have 427, th350,205.
83 K30 454, TH400, 205.
04 GMC 2500, 2wd but hey its a Duramax.
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Old 08-27-2007, 05:22 PM   #4
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Well then thorw some longs in the toy axle and wheel the **** out of it.

4.10's and 44's dont going hand i hand. You going to stress out the drivetrain links. Intell they become weak links.
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:00 PM   #5
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I am not expecting it to handle all the hardcore trails right at first, just be able to go have fun until I can afford upgrades. I want to avoid duplicating costs like buying a set of longs, and 6 months later realizing I should have just gone with one tons or spending money to build dual cases and then switching to chevy drive train. I looked into making the dual cases fit behind a chevy and after upgrading shafts in the cases and addaptors to get them on a chevy your almost as much as a stak or atlas. I guess I am just looking for some direction to start the build in, I have thought of everything from 22r,4.3, tbi 350, to putting my 427 facing south in the bed.
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:50 PM   #6
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Id go with the 350 tbi or propane and the granny 4 speed.
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:48 PM   #7
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Yea, I should probably get my drivetrain squared away first, but it is so hard with those axles and tires sitting in the shop not just start and
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72 K5... soon to have 427, th350,205.
83 K30 454, TH400, 205.
04 GMC 2500, 2wd but hey its a Duramax.
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I know you probably dont want to hear this, but have you considered NOT running 44's? Sell those badboys, and run tires in a size that will work well with your axle ratio/tcase ratio.....seriously, I know a little something about having some of the biggest tires a person can run under a rig....you don't need 44's to be "hardcore" in the rocks....if you ran something in the 36" to
38" range on a D60/14FF, you could quite honestly beat on 'em without the fear of breakage(of course, chromos/superjoints make it easier, but they aren't always needed depending on the driver's right foot) I have watched several rigs running(as have you) tires less than 38" tall do amazing things on the trail....save yourself some money, headaches and time, and build your rig
to PERFORM as you NEED it to, NOT what everyone else thinks it should do
.....I outgrew my "monster rig" phase and now I have a rig that fills ALL my needs AND wants...it is not what most cats would want in our neck of the woods, but it is my daily driver, it is a very capable rockcrawler, it will haul my family in comfort, etc.....if you are serious about having 44's under a rig for crawling, then you should look into selling/trading the one tons and finding a set of 2.5 tons, then you can run the big block and the big tires without worry....oh, and the bragging rights for bench racing or campfire B.S
sessions......just my two pennies based on my limited experience in a vast sea of "hardcore wheelers"......
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:13 PM   #9
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The choice to run the 44s came from watching numerous people around here and when I went to Katemcy. Most of the problems I saw there was the guys running 38s had bad approach angles or break over angle. The guys with 44s were usually to big and heavy. I think a light weight toyota with 44s would be the best of both worlds. I have been looking into 2 steering rocks but just would have to come up with a good deal on them. I also have the chance to run 2- gear boxes in front of my t-case.
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72 K5... soon to have 427, th350,205.
83 K30 454, TH400, 205.
04 GMC 2500, 2wd but hey its a Duramax.
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I sorta feel where you are coming from...I will get my first taste of K-rocks at the end of this month..anyway, I only offer one last bit of my own opinion--as much fun as my old rig was, it got to the point that it was so "purpose" built, that I couldn't enjoy just driving it in any other 4x4 fashion--it was simply too big, too fast, and NOT comfortable for extended periods...I realize that your ideas for your rig are probably a bit different than what my old K5 was, but the overall scheme is..I simply wanted to be able to get as stupid as I could with the skinny pedal and not have to worry about it....and it worked to a degree...I learned very quickly after spending time on the trails with Rockchip and several other folks that bigger isn't always better....I would concede that your build plan is the best route for you if all you ever plan to do is attack the hardest stuff all of the time.....I only figured that you rig would see more time on the trails/rocks of our local stomping grounds than anywhere else.......well, whatever you decide, I stress one thing above any other---KEEP IT SIMPLE....the more reliable your rig, the more time spent on the trail, HAVING FUN WHEELIN'......
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Old 09-04-2007, 06:12 PM   #11
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20R/L50/dual case(stock ratio) 4.37 gears, 3" lift, on 36 H1 plus high steer and hydro assist. LockRight front/welded rear..My Rig works for me. I wheeled it hard this pass weekend and I felt I kept up with the guys on 40-44. I did take one by-pass..the bowl at Satan's Playground. My power steering belt kept popping off.
I'm still running stock axle shafts up front and a 87 rear end(3"wider the pre 85).
My two best mods would be lockers and dual cases. Running a Chevy drive train would be nice..but I hear the trannies break all the time. I'll stick to my Toyota.

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as it is I have to do something pretty fast, the stock tranny and t-case are not liking the 35s, and I have access to a couple t-cases... $700 and I could have triple t-cases in there and still be cheaper than regearing the 1-tons or toyota axles. I think to compete with James and Gerald on the No Name trail I am going to have to have atleast 40s and by the time you are that big you might as well go all the way right? As far as having something just to go tool around in I will have my FJ60.
I have never heard of anyone breaking a sm465 yet....well I wore one out with my sand oil mixture. I still think SM 465 is the most gearing for the buck. Just have to decide on a motor to put in front of it. I am at that catch 22 stage. If I keep it toyota I have to invest in a doubler, a new rear axle and spacers for the front....or start switching to chevy.

PS I hope to have my full hydro on by the end of the month.
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Or....he's hangin with the WRONG CROWD, somking crack, doing heroine and wheelin with J**PERS!
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72 K5... soon to have 427, th350,205.
83 K30 454, TH400, 205.
04 GMC 2500, 2wd but hey its a Duramax.
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Seems in your signature you already made up your mind. Good luck with the build. Post up some pics...I would like to see that.
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Lots and LOTS of stickers,'Chip...........No Name, huh? Last time I was there, that particular "trail" denied all attempts-38's AND 44's......Hell, I had 35's in there and was seriously denied......Just watching the vids of Gerald and James(especially that nasty pop when James' rear diff let go) makes me wonder what I was thinking when I tried my luck.......my wife thinks I was playing the old "keeping up with the Jones' " routine.....I dunno, some "trails" are just plain mean, some are rude...No Name is the type of "trail" that will eat a rig for lunch and sh*t out the driver's ego if so inclined........I wonder though, as have several of my friends, just how would my new rig do....I gots the flex fer that kinda shtuff, but I is afraidy of da rockrash on my paint.....yeah...I only have to glance at the front right fender of the Terra Scout and any thoughts of being a hero on No Name fade very rapidly
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well I have the 1-tons and I have the 44s, it is everything else I am having trouble make my mind up on. I don't want to screw it up and hate driving my truck, and then I don't want to have it down for 2 years. I just want to get it right the first go around.
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throw in the one ton's and the dual cases, slap on the 44's and wheel the piss out of it.
When you get the time and money put some 5:13's in the axles and keep on a running.

Playing in the rocks is all about torque and gearing. your hampster wheel will do just fine. Plus you won't be suckin down the dino juice. (the one thing I hate about my 383 stroker)
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because I want to make it up the first hill....
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well, just sell it all and get a Jeep Rubicon.........
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well, just sell it all and get a Jeep Rubicon.........
that is gay lol ...it's a budget build


I say do the dual 'yota cases with 1 tons and trade your 44s for some 42s or 39.5s + cash. I think 40-42s is the perfect tire set up. Guys with 44s just want to make everything easy and show off....like me
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.....gay?.......I apologize for my insensitivity....not everyone can afford to appreciate exactly what is like to own AND 'wheel a Rubicon Jeep.......That realization just makes me more thankful for my rig.....

anyway, Jeromy, I look forward to seeing your rig on the trail and not in pieces in a shop somewhere, no matter how you build it.....
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anyway, Jeromy, I look forward to seeing your rig on the trail and not in pieces in a shop somewhere, no matter how you build it.....
Me too....I just bought a 220 yesterday so no I can start with the cutting. I am going to stick with the 22r dual cases for now. Later I will upgrade to the 4.7s in the rear case. I might start looking for a Daully D60/D70 combo so I don't have to recenter my wheels and that will let me go to 5.86 in the axles.
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.....gay?.......I apologize for my insensitivity....not everyone can afford to appreciate exactly what is like to own AND 'wheel a Rubicon Jeep.......That realization just makes me more thankful for my rig.....
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I might start looking for a Daully D60/D70 combo so I don't have to recenter my wheels and that will let me go to 5.86 in the axles.
I'll tell you right now, it's gonna be wide. lol. I'm running that combo on my Blazer...DRW 60/70 with stock H1s and 44s...I measure at 8' wide, but no one seems to believe it when I tell 'em. But those 5.86s sure will help you out.

My Blazer: 5.86s x 6 x 3.06 = Outcrawlin' a rubicon.
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