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Old 09-14-2012, 09:06 PM   #1
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What are your thoughts on running water/liquid in tires for more weight and traction?
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:13 PM   #2
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Some guys run BB's in their tires also.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:27 PM   #3
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Awesome for traction, sucks to move them and the extra weight is really hard on parts.





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Awesome for traction, sucks to move them and the extra weight is really hard on parts.





The ftoy that my brother had now 51willys has, had water in the front krawlers. It definitely helped with climbs tremendously!!! It was also very hard on parts.
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The ftoy that my brother had now 51willys has, had water in the front krawlers. It definitely helped with climbs tremendously!!! It was also very hard on parts.
What was it hard on? As in what broke? Was going to do it on my f-toy but never got around to it. Haven't really felt the need to do it in the fj yet. I read where the trail gear single seater was running 300lbs of shot in each front tire. Seemed excessive.
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:15 PM   #6
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What was it hard on? As in what broke? Was going to do it on my f-toy but never got around to it. Haven't really felt the need to do it in the fj yet. I read where the trail gear single seater was running 300lbs of shot in each front tire. Seemed excessive.
Broke the gears, broke something in the hub area (I think studs twice). It all just needed upgrading, but stickys and lots of water is hard on a axle.
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Excuses my ignorance, but water would be free in motion and imo only add a balast at the bottom. Where does it add stress on parts?
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It's still a lot of weight at roughly 7 lbs a gallon it adds up. Even free in motion, you have to get it moving, honestly IMO( granted im an idiot), I would think the momentum of water moving would be even more stressful. Weight and momentum would be a lot of stress.
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I think it sloshing around is a little too unpredictable and can potentially be more negative than positive.
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It's still a lot of weight at roughly 7 lbs a gallon it adds up. Even free in motion, you have to get it moving, honestly IMO( granted im an idiot), I would think the momentum of water moving would be even more stressful. Weight and momentum would be a lot of stress.
When we took off the tires it took two people to move one 37" krawler around. It was absolutely nuts how heavy those tires were. Trust me these were the only disadvantages in my opinion. I really believe in adding water as watching my brother wheel that f-toy had me a believer. I basically had the same exact setup in my truggy with more power, bigger tires etc and he made my rig look stupid. Then again he made most v-8 powered way bigger tire buggies look stupid as he idled up obstacles. Just ask those guys on pirate4x4 from arizona and new mexico area about water in the front tires......they run some of the nastiest stuff around and won't go without it.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:10 AM   #11
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Bullet runs water in his fronts, or used to. Maybe he will chime in on his experience with water. I don't see any negatives with running water in the fronts other than the weight if you have to change a tire.

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I've debated it for a long time. IMO, water does not mesh with texas wheeling (except maybe K2) and its hard to compare NM/AZ terrain to the type of terrain we have; which 98.5% of us on here wheel. Water is for crawling, not hammering down. Adding 300-400llbs to each tire/wheel adds a tremendous amount of rotational mass.

I suggest doing the research before running it, if your shafts/u-joints/rg can handle the weight then try it. Running it to the top of the wheel will help limit the sloshing and unpredictability.

A gallon of water = 8.32lbs


Why did yall remove the water from the FToy?





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I've debated it for a long time. IMO, water does not mesh with texas wheeling (except maybe K2) and its hard to compare NM/AZ terrain to the type of terrain we have; which 98.5% of us on here wheel. Water is for crawling, not hammering down. Adding 300-400llbs to each tire/wheel adds a tremendous amount of rotational mass.

I suggest doing the research before running it, if your shafts/u-joints/rg can handle the weight then try it. Running it to the top of the wheel will help limit the sloshing and unpredictability.

A gallon of water = 8.32lbs


Why did yall remove the water from the FToy?





We never removed the water when we had it. 51Jeepwillys might have as he sold the krawlers and went to super swampers. Have to ask him his thoughts...........
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IMO they had way to much water in them for yota axles. One rim/tire weighed more than the axle itself. They were close to 300lbs each. So when I put the swampers back on I only put water in them to were the combo weighed 200lbs each. So I've only got about 80 pounds of water in them. I can't tell a difference with less water in them. Need to ask someone who didn't have water and now they do and see if they can tell a difference. I'll let him chim in if he wants.
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IMO they had way to much water in them for yota axles. One rim/tire weighed more than the axle itself. They were close to 300lbs each. So when I put the swampers back on I only put water in them to were the combo weighed 200lbs each. So I've only got about 80 pounds of water in them. I can't tell a difference with less water in them. Need to ask someone who didn't have water and now they do and see if they can tell a difference. I'll let him chim in if he wants.
Yeah we always thought they had too much water but hell we don't know anything about wheeling, so we just drove it haha. Knew they were heavy as hell haha
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Ran 37" stickies without water then with water. As long as your parts can handle the extra traction it is a huge difference! The water made once hard obsticles easy and seemed to make the rig a little more stable. Run them 3/4 full and it seems to do pretty descent at speed as well. Just don't forget to add a little antifreeze in them for the winter months!!!
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Donuts, what type fitting did you use to add water?
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It's a part that screws onto the valve stem and on the water hose. They are under $10 and I wanna say I got it at autozone.
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It's actually a fitting to put water in tractor tires. You can get them at tractor supply.
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Donuts, did it seem like they wanted to pull you down steep hills? Driving forward down hill not backing down.
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something odd is going on...yes to the back tire thing, wont to pull ecess weight up....
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Couldn't really tell any difference going down hill.
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Couldn't really tell any difference going down hill.
The ftoy was extremely scary going down big drop offs.very front heavy.the original owner put it straight up balancing on the front bumper at werock in Dayton a while back! Way too muchfor those toothpicks!

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It would depend on the build of the rig.
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On my BBC, 1 ton K5 with 44s and H1s, no way.
That K5 was so heavy in the front wheel stands going down hill were common.
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