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Old 10-10-2007, 07:54 PM   #1
 
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u-joint quiz

Which u-joint for a daily driver that also sees abuse offroad and why--BUT
THERE IS A CATCH--you have to answer as if you didn't have selectable
hubs(no lockouts to turn), but a front axle that is always spinning if you are
driving, in 4wheel or 2wheel.............(think of any rig with unitized hub bearings)
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Old 10-10-2007, 08:15 PM   #2
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If its for a newer jeep axle then its a 3pice axle so its not allways spinning.
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Which u-joint for a daily driver that also sees abuse offroad and why--BUT
THERE IS A CATCH--you have to answer as if you didn't have selectable
hubs(no lockouts to turn), but a front axle that is always spinning if you are
driving, in 4wheel or 2wheel.............(think of any rig with unitized hub bearings)
Spicer 5-760X with full circle clips.
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Old 10-11-2007, 11:30 AM   #5
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If its for a newer jeep axle then its a 3pice axle so its not allways spinning.

how do you figure that?
the tj's don't have a disconnect axle nor do the later xj's.
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sorry, I should have specified--front axle joint, not the d-shaft......so, the question remains which one and why? BTW, nice catch Jeff.....Allow me to narrow the factors....if you had a rig like mine, with unitized front bearings, no CAD and no lockouts, plus you were running chromo inner/outers, which joint would you run and why...CTM, Longfield, Yukon Superjoint, Spicer 760,
Spicer 297, AlloyUSA X-joints, or??? Thanks for the input, just remember the hypothetical is that the rig is daily driven AND abused in the rocks.....I currently run X-joints and am having good performance......
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i would say it all depends on what you want the weakness to be. by that, i mean, you are running upgraded axle shafts, if you put an upgraded ujoint also, then the ring/pinion gear become the weak links.
how about this, run inner upgraded shafts, upgraded ujoints and then stock outers, so the outers would be the weak links, and perhaps would snap at the stub, thus saving the inner axle and ujoints and being easier to trail repair.

or run the spicer ujoints and upgraded axle shafts and hopefully the ujoints will break and not take out the shafts or ears at the same time.
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hmmmmm....interesting therory....I have heard that running the stock joints can allow those to break and not harm the chromo shafts IF the shafts are good quality...however, I would rather my "fuse" or weaklink be somewhere
other than the shft/joint...say, more like my "fuse" is simply a lack of traction, which is tricky at best because of variations on given terrian OR better yet if the drivetrain and crawl ratio/tire size is perfectly matched, then the "fuse" becomes "lack of torque/horsepower" thus preventing breakage from the get go.....simply put, an easy right foot.....tough to decide if you want a weak area purposely built into the drivetrain or if it comes at the expense of the mods/upgrades.....who really wants the R&P to be the weak point? Nobody I know.....so, without going too far off track here, I will get back to the reason of the "quiz"....strength alone was not the reason, but longevity as well.....would anyone see an issue with running a joint like the CTM's or Yukons that don't have needle bearings for extended periods on the pavement?
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:36 PM   #9
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There all good, but I would get one that can be greased. Most normal U-joint failuers are do to wear from lack of lubrication. Especialy on a DD.
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I had to deal with this along time ago. In my 97 dodge. It has the same setup as heeps. The u-joint spin all the time. i use to pull the shafts dearing the summer months when i wasnt mudding or offroad it alot. I gain like 2 mile a gallon. By doing this. I would leave them in over the winter for the deer lease and mudding we did in east texaS.

As for upgraded u-joints ( ctm's-longs-yukons) are a no-no for street use. or ones with out needle bearing. There not built for road use.

I would use a good spicer or precision brute u-joint. Full clip helps out alot. If you cant find full clip or they wont fit. Tack weld the caps in. Most u-joint let go because they are pushed out of the axle shaft and the caps let go causing the ears to pop.

And most after market shafts well not warrinty there shafts if you break the ears off the shafts. Because most of the time its not the shafts that let go.

Just my .02 cent worth.
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I'm with Ramrock on this one, most u-joint failures are due to the caps spinning from overloading the bearings until they lockup. When this happens the cap spins in the yoke and spits the clip off, the full circle clip helps prevent this over the 3/4 clip. Tack welding the cap will keep it from spinning too. Once the cap is spit out by by yoke ears.....
I have seen very few ujoint trunnion's break on Spicer joints and if they did it was because the cap spit out first. Heat is the issue with solid bushing ujoints over needle bearing types for a daily driver, solid joints can seize on the trunnion. on a trail rig because of the slow speeds heat is not a factor as it is with a street driven rig.
You can run a solid type joint on a DD if you grease the **** out of it consistently,just don't forget...
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