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Old 11-16-2012, 09:59 AM   #1
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Every year so many die because of trains. I don't understand why. They don't just jump out of no where.

Forget ur car and belongings. Get the **** out and run at an angle in the direction the train is coming from.
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If you would actually take the time to read the article you would know why you sound like a complete idiot. But to answer your question the truck could not move foward due to the immediate traffic in front of him (the parade) and the other vehicles could not hear him honking due to the police escorts. Many of the wounded souldiers were not able to run because they were in wheel chairs and the others had various DISABILING features. Hope that helps...


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If you would actually take the time to read the article you would know why you sound like a complete idiot. But to answer your question the truck could not move foward due to the immediate traffic in front of him (the parade) and the other vehicles could not hear him honking due to the police escorts. Many of the wounded souldiers were not able to run because they were in wheel chairs and the others had various DISABILING features. Hope that helps...


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This accident was totally needless.

1. The track section is straight for miles.
2. By FRA Regulation, the locomotive is required to have its headlights, ditchlights, or makers on. It would be clearly visible.
3. You don't park a truck over the tracks just because of a traffic light or stopped traffic. You keep the track clear.
4. He should have pushed people out of the way at that point, or if possible drive off the road. Anything to save the people.

Frankly, having rode the rails for years as a conductor, there is no excuse for not seeing a train, stopping on the rails, trying to beat a train, or running the gates. You can't stop a train on a dime and you certainly cannot gauge the distance of a train adequately, because you don't have any point of reference to gauge the speed, and the heat on the ground, if present, can distort the image.

Terrible tragedy. Absolutely terrible. Hitting someone was my greatest fear as a conductor. I had nightmares about it, and came close one time. If we hit, I would have launched that mini-van into the next county.

My heart goes out to all the families who lost loved ones, the wounded, the train crew, and the community. Simply tragic and not necessary.
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This accident was totally needless.

1. The track section is straight for miles.
2. By FRA Regulation, the locomotive is required to have its headlights, ditchlights, or makers on. It would be clearly visible.
3. You don't park a truck over the tracks just because of a traffic light or stopped traffic. You keep the track clear.
4. He should have pushed people out of the way at that point, or if possible drive off the road. Anything to save the people.

Frankly, having rode the rails for years as a conductor, there is no excuse for not seeing a train, stopping on the rails, trying to beat a train, or running the gates. You can't stop a train on a dime and you certainly cannot gauge the distance of a train adequately, because you don't have any point of reference to gauge the speed, and the heat on the ground, if present, can distort the image.

Terrible tragedy. Absolutely terrible. Hitting someone was my greatest fear as a conductor. I had nightmares about it, and came close one time. If we hit, I would have launched that mini-van into the next county.

My heart goes out to all the families who lost loved ones, the wounded, the train crew, and the community. Simply tragic and not necessary.


Not to sound like a ***, but is there anything you havent done for a living? Seems here lately ever thread made that has a career mentioned you have done it...just curious.


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LOL...I've done a lot of stuff in my life. I miss my time on the rails. I enjoyed that job, even if working for the railroad was a bee-otch. I did coal drags from Clifton Forge, VA down to Newport News, on the C&O back in Virginia. Lots of fun until I was injured and forced to retire.
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Yeah, my engineer applied the engine's independent brakes on a 150+ car train and the slack ran out and I was on the end of the train when it happened. Lets just say I got whipped like a raggedy andy doll and wound up fracturing my neck. To this day I still have problems. Sucks. But I live with it.
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Yeah, my engineer applied the engine's independent brakes on a 150+ car train and the slack ran out and I was on the end of the train when it happened. Lets just say I got whipped like a raggedy andy doll and wound up fracturing my neck. To this day I still have problems. Sucks. But I live with it.
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so sad ... how could this happen ? Prayers to all
To start.. I am a locomotive engineer for 9 years now...so

This was VERY avoidable. about ten times a year, people call the Railroad and state they are haveing a parade or event. the Railroad will put out a FORM C in our bullitens stating whats going on and where, and U P restricts our speed in that area, around 15mph...if they don't, wer'e running track speed, which is 70 in that spot,

All they have to do is avoid 53 inches of rail and they will be safe....it takes a LONG time to stop a train at 62mph...


side note: the accident was tragic. I'm sure the crew on the train have some strong feeling to deal with right now, and will be given peer support. you can't amagine seeing something like that from inside the cab,. the Railroad has a standing practice of paying for funerals and medical of victums of rail accidents...my prayers go out to all involved...L
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Oh believe me. This guy was a known trouble. Eye witnesses who saw what happened to me couldn't believe it. No one knows how he didn't snap the train in pieces. Full Independent application to stop an 8 mph shoving movement. Ouch!
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Ya, at 100 tons a car the 200 pounds holding on to the end doesn't stand a chance...hope you hit the FELA lotto, but still not worth it..L
I did. But I'd rather have my health back.
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Yeah, my engineer applied the engine's independent brakes on a 150+ car train and the slack ran out and I was on the end of the train when it happened. Lets just say I got whipped like a raggedy andy doll and wound up fracturing my neck. To this day I still have problems. Sucks. But I live with it.
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I worked for the railroad prior to joining the military.
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LOL...I'm not accident prone. There is a reason this stuff happens to me, but I won't go into it here, because most don't understand, or will just mock. That's not meant to offend anyone but I've learned the hard way when I've explained why it has happened.

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lest we forget why this thread was created.. the families and victims of this tragic event. no matter what the cause or who is at fault.
It truly is a sad event. The more facts come out, the more evident it becomes that this tragedy was totally avoidable. My heart goes out to the victims, train crew, and all involved.

Interesting note, that the tracks this occurred on where only minutes from downtown Midland. Midland has received a very large increase in rail traffic due to the oil industry and Union Pacific raised the speed limit on that line from 40 mph to 70 recently. The gates and warning systems were working properly. The engineer did everything correctly. There was no failure on any technological part of the equipment. Just sad. Truly sad indeed.

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i live in midland have seen alot of it first hand and will choose to keep my mouth shut about some of the assumed comments above.

there is footage showing the tractor entering the intersection after the the lights had started operating and the gates began to go down. the biggest fault at this point has been the fact that when the speed limit was bumped recently, the intersection had not been re-calibrated for this, and not giving enough warning time for traffic. They driver just gave his official statement on monday and as far as i know, the details have not been released yet.

the driver is a vet and extremely distraught over the event. it has also been said, coming from a creditable source, the vets that died in the accident were seen pushing their wives off the trailer immediately before the impact.

the ntsb and legal team for one of the injured have been doing extensive recreation of the wreck.
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