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Gonzo Wheeler
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Rear steer a must?
I really want to upgrade to rocks, but at this time, I don't see that I can afford to go rear steer. Not with brakes, suspension, etc... Would I be better off waiting until I can go rear steer? How much of a pain would it be to maneuver around the trails? I don't have a 205, yet, so no twin stick either. Would flipping the hubs in help much with the turning radius?
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I loved having my rear steer on my old K5 but not needed. Turning in the hubs would help specailly on tight trails. Rear steer would always be better but if you can't wait, use a rear until you can afford it.
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Gonzo Wheeler
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Ive always wanted rear steer, but I really dont need it. It can get pricey by the time you buy the haldex pump and ram. Just buy a rear and add a steer when the funds come through............
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I get around good without rear steer on 49's
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See, it can be done. Just keep your wheel base to a managable length.
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Gonzo Wheeler
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Just what I wanted to hear! Now to find a set of rocks and tires. I'm thinking coil springs with the tried and true one link. Thanks!
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Ryan give redriver a try on the front. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-1-2...0213QQtcZphoto He sells rears too, but you can usually find them cheaper if you aren't in a hurry.
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Gonzo Wheeler
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Yes, RR has a good price for the front. If I don't find a set locally, I'll hit them up. I found a rear for a decent price outside of Houston and one in OK for a good price.
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Gonzo Wheeler
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I started off with out rear steer and it sucked big time. I was welded up front and rear so that hurt on the turning. With lockers front and back and cutting brakes I think you would be fine on the tight trails(big time money for lockers). Keep your wheel base down and stay off the tight trails. You've seen how mine does on the tight trails with rear steer but most of the white paint on the trees at Gilmer is from the PIG when it was white and didn't have rear steer. You could always lock out the rear steer axle until you are ready to buy the pump and what not. Flipping the hubs does help a little but not much. My brother in law has rear steer and he still had to have an ARB for the front after he drove mine a while.
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Rear steer only needed if you get a huge long rig. Ive been wheeling mine for the four year now with no rearsteer.
My hubs are flipping in the i also have my knuckle flipped to were the tierod is in front of the axle. So i got super funky acrman. So ive learned to burp the throdle and my front kinda jumps around corners. best thing to have a is detroit in the front. best money i spent. A arb is a joke. its note going to let your rig turn any shaper. hey look around the lufkin area. or ask robert on here with the full size chrvy on rocks. lots of mub guys in that area. I got my new rear for $150. And you can use the drum centers or backing plate as a wheel center if you want to go super cheap.
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Even if you have to start out without rear-steer, you will always have a spare chunk when you upgrade later.
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I know I will want rear steer. I'm still thinking about yours Chris. Like you said, I could always lock the rear out until I can round up the pump, ram, etc...
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The last rig we had with an ARB would out turn my junk with 4 wheel steer and an ARB is either on or off nothing in between like most lockers. But what the fawk do I know, I'm all about the welded diffs. .
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3' of ZUKI Frame 1.3 liter tire shredder suckin pane stock trans, 6.5 to 1 TC Toy axles 5.29 stuffed with longs Front coils, Rear SAW airshocks 3 link front 1 link rear Lots of freaking tubing 39.5 Isuks Made in Japan, BUILT in TEXAS “Don’t talk it unless you can take the repercussions of walking it” The Rock God Last edited by Monstercrawler; 02-05-2009 at 08:58 PM.. |
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Rear steer isn't a must, but I absolutely loved mine back when I had it. I've been tossing around the idea of rear steer on my zuki for a little bit now. Actually now that I think about it, the zuki is my first rig to not have rear steer....man, I've got to get rear steer back! I think I'm having withdraws...LOL!
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87 Sammy Jeep 4 banger, 420-300, Wagoneer Dana 44 Axles, 5.89 Gears with ![]() Homemade buggy on ROCKS and one link w/coilovers, four-wheel steer, 350-465-3.8 ATLAS still need to get the skins done but decided to take a break from working on it all the time and wheel it. 84 K5 Finally back on the road. |
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Just keep it short remember the first time at gilmer when mine wouldnt work. Thats why all the trails are wider now.
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Ive drive my rig alot with the drive flanges removed and it still didnt turn any better.
it because you cant get much angle out of the steering because the knuckles hit. Ive ground my knuckle and shaft to get alittle more angle out of them. Front digs are the best way to get them turned. Acouple guys from houston i run with drive around i front dig intell they need the rears pulling.
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3' of ZUKI Frame 1.3 liter tire shredder suckin pane stock trans, 6.5 to 1 TC Toy axles 5.29 stuffed with longs Front coils, Rear SAW airshocks 3 link front 1 link rear Lots of freaking tubing 39.5 Isuks Made in Japan, BUILT in TEXAS “Don’t talk it unless you can take the repercussions of walking it” The Rock God |
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Gonzo Wheeler
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Gilmer hasn't been the same since he drove his fat rig all over the place. The trees have not missed you at all Jason!!!! If you do find a set of rockwell make sure you look them over well. I sold a set years back and the guy that bought them waited almost a year later before he started running his mouth about them not being any good.(find it hard to believe) The front axle came straight from RED RIVER and I never did anything to it and the rear was my pull out when I went rear steer. You just can't tell about folks these days. I only sell stuff to people I know these days. Now get to work and put some rockwells under your big rig .
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It's hard to believe I got the old FAT PIG to fly. lol I'm still sticking to what I said that day. Stupid pedal got stuck!!!! Seams to happen a lot these days. .
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Sure it did Chris. You need to check it out. It sure gets stuck a lot. Maybe it is just a bad cable.
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Like Chris said being able to do front digs is a huge help. I drive my zuki all the time in front only on tight trails and use 4wheel when I need it. Makes turning a breeze. It also make you that much better at changing axle u-joints on d44s too.
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87 Sammy Jeep 4 banger, 420-300, Wagoneer Dana 44 Axles, 5.89 Gears with ![]() Homemade buggy on ROCKS and one link w/coilovers, four-wheel steer, 350-465-3.8 ATLAS still need to get the skins done but decided to take a break from working on it all the time and wheel it. 84 K5 Finally back on the road. |
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