Rear steer a must?

Bunker Buster · 02-04-2009, 08:45 PM

I really want to upgrade to rocks, but at this time, I don't see that I can afford to go rear steer. Not with brakes, suspension, etc... Would I be better off waiting until I can go rear steer? How much of a pain would it be to maneuver around the trails? I don't have a 205, yet, so no twin stick either. Would flipping the hubs in help much with the turning radius?

MUDDSLINGER · 02-04-2009, 08:51 PM

I loved having my rear steer on my old K5 but not needed. Turning in the hubs would help specailly on tight trails. Rear steer would always be better but if you can't wait, use a rear until you can afford it.

Rebelrider · 02-04-2009, 09:52 PM

Ive always wanted rear steer, but I really dont need it. It can get pricey by the time you buy the haldex pump and ram. Just buy a rear and add a steer when the funds come through............

jimmyeatworld · 02-04-2009, 10:12 PM

I get around good without rear steer on 49's
jimmy

MUDDSLINGER · 02-04-2009, 10:37 PM

See, it can be done. Just keep your wheel base to a managable length.

Bunker Buster · 02-05-2009, 12:53 PM

Just what I wanted to hear! Now to find a set of rocks and tires. I'm thinking coil springs with the tried and true one link. Thanks!

Bruiser · 02-05-2009, 01:00 PM

Ryan give redriver a try on the front. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-1-2...0213QQtcZphoto He sells rears too, but you can usually find them cheaper if you aren't in a hurry.

Bunker Buster · 02-05-2009, 02:05 PM

Yes, RR has a good price for the front. If I don't find a set locally, I'll hit them up. I found a rear for a decent price outside of Houston and one in OK for a good price.

Monstercrawler · 02-05-2009, 02:54 PM

I started off with out rear steer and it sucked big time. I was welded up front and rear so that hurt on the turning. With lockers front and back and cutting brakes I think you would be fine on the tight trails(big time money for lockers). Keep your wheel base down and stay off the tight trails. You've seen how mine does on the tight trails with rear steer but most of the white paint on the trees at Gilmer is from the PIG when it was white and didn't have rear steer. You could always lock out the rear steer axle until you are ready to buy the pump and what not. Flipping the hubs does help a little but not much. My brother in law has rear steer and he still had to have an ARB for the front after he drove mine a while.

RamRock · 02-05-2009, 03:21 PM

Rear steer only needed if you get a huge long rig. Ive been wheeling mine for the four year now with no rearsteer.

My hubs are flipping in the i also have my knuckle flipped to were the tierod is in front of the axle. So i got super funky acrman. So ive learned to burp the throdle and my front kinda jumps around corners.

best thing to have a is detroit in the front. best money i spent. A arb is a joke. its note going to let your rig turn any shaper.

hey look around the lufkin area. or ask robert on here with the full size chrvy on rocks. lots of mub guys in that area.

I got my new rear for $150. And you can use the drum centers or backing plate as a wheel center if you want to go super cheap.

Rebelrider · 02-05-2009, 05:35 PM

Even if you have to start out without rear-steer, you will always have a spare chunk when you upgrade later.

Bunker Buster · 02-05-2009, 07:00 PM

I know I will want rear steer. I'm still thinking about yours Chris. Like you said, I could always lock the rear out until I can round up the pump, ram, etc...

Monstercrawler · 02-05-2009, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RamRock

best thing to have a is detroit in the front. best money i spent. A arb is a joke. its note going to let your rig turn any shaper.
.

Really?

The last rig we had with an ARB would out turn my junk with 4 wheel steer and an ARB is either on or off nothing in between like most lockers. But what the fawk do I know, I'm all about the welded diffs.

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Monstercrawler · 02-05-2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebelrider

Even if you have to start out without rear-steer, you will always have a spare chunk when you upgrade later.

x2,

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Donuts1 · 02-05-2009, 07:25 PM

Rear steer isn't a must, but I absolutely loved mine back when I had it. I've been tossing around the idea of rear steer on my zuki for a little bit now. Actually now that I think about it, the zuki is my first rig to not have rear steer....man, I've got to get rear steer back! I think I'm having withdraws...LOL!

87zuk · 02-06-2009, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donuts1

Rear steer isn't a must, but I absolutely loved mine back when I had it. I've been tossing around the idea of rear steer on my zuki for a little bit now. Actually now that I think about it, the zuki is my first rig to not have rear steer....man, I've got to get rear steer back! I think I'm having withdraws...LOL!

Like the zuki really needs it. I guess it would be cool though.

moneypit · 02-06-2009, 05:38 PM

Just keep it short remember the first time at gilmer when mine wouldnt work. Thats why all the trails are wider now.

RamRock · 02-06-2009, 06:59 PM

Ive drive my rig alot with the drive flanges removed and it still didnt turn any better.
it because you cant get much angle out of the steering because the knuckles hit.

Ive ground my knuckle and shaft to get alittle more angle out of them.

Front digs are the best way to get them turned. Acouple guys from houston i run with drive around i front dig intell they need the rears pulling.

Bunker Buster · 02-06-2009, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moneypit

Just keep it short remember the first time at gilmer when mine wouldnt work. Thats why all the trails are wider now.

Yeah, I remember very well. For a while you had the nickname "Dozer".

I would like to keep the wheelbase close to what it is now. I figure set the front out a little further and the rear quite a bit further back. I see the sawzall getting a huge workout.

Monstercrawler · 02-06-2009, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RamRock

. Acouple guys from houston i run with drive around i front dig intell they need the rears pulling.

I drove my rig for the firt time with my 205 twin sticked last weekend and I had no ideal what I was missing. It turns easier and like you said you can just tap the brakes to lock the rear axle on tight turns. I kept forgetting to lock in the rear axle when I was ready for some harder stuff. The PIG doesn't go very far with out all the wheels spinning. lol

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Monstercrawler · 02-06-2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67_SS396

Yeah, I remember very well. For a while you had the nickname "Dozer".

I see the sawzall getting a huge workout.

Gilmer hasn't been the same since he drove his fat rig all over the place. The trees have not missed you at all Jason!!!!

If you do find a set of rockwell make sure you look them over well. I sold a set years back and the guy that bought them waited almost a year later before he started running his mouth about them not being any good.(find it hard to believe) The front axle came straight from RED RIVER and I never did anything to it and the rear was my pull out when I went rear steer. You just can't tell about folks these days. I only sell stuff to people I know these days.

Now get to work and put some rockwells under your big rig

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Bunker Buster · 02-06-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstercrawler

The PIG doesn't go very far with out all the wheels spinning. lol.

No kidding, I remember your "blast" up Dewoody last July. Then all the tools, cooler, etc... went down the other way.

Monstercrawler · 02-06-2009, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67_SS396

No kidding, I remember your "blast" up Dewoody last July. Then all the tools, cooler, etc... went down the other way.

It's hard to believe I got the old FAT PIG to fly. lol I'm still sticking to what I said that day. Stupid pedal got stuck!!!! Seams to happen a lot these days.

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87zuk · 02-06-2009, 10:26 PM

Sure it did Chris. You need to check it out. It sure gets stuck a lot. Maybe it is just a bad cable.

My opinion is it is just a real heavy foot.

When we going to pick up your Rocks Ryan? If you hurry you can have them done by april.

87zuk · 02-06-2009, 10:29 PM

Like Chris said being able to do front digs is a huge help. I drive my zuki all the time in front only on tight trails and use 4wheel when I need it. Makes turning a breeze. It also make you that much better at changing axle u-joints on d44s too.

02-04-2009, 08:45 PM	#1
Bunker Buster Gonzo Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Blue Ridge, Tx Posts: 2,375	Rear steer a must? I really want to upgrade to rocks, but at this time, I don't see that I can afford to go rear steer. Not with brakes, suspension, etc... Would I be better off waiting until I can go rear steer? How much of a pain would it be to maneuver around the trails? I don't have a 205, yet, so no twin stick either. Would flipping the hubs in help much with the turning radius? __________________ Fawker Fab 3 seater Buggy - Buster II 498 Stroker BBC/pane/465/Fawker Fab Doubler/One Tons/Detroits/Chromos/Longfields/16" FOA Coilovers/18" air shocks/one link/three link/42" PBR's and lots of throttle. When all else fails, give it hell. Push it to the Limit with RevLimit Off Road! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-04-2009, 08:51 PM	#2
MUDDSLINGER Wheels 4 Food Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: League City Posts: 3,552	I loved having my rear steer on my old K5 but not needed. Turning in the hubs would help specailly on tight trails. Rear steer would always be better but if you can't wait, use a rear until you can afford it. __________________ Daryl's A/C & Heating- Owner Serving all of the Houston area 832 277 8944 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-04-2009, 09:52 PM	#3
Rebelrider Gonzo Wheeler Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vidor,TX Posts: 2,892	Ive always wanted rear steer, but I really dont need it. It can get pricey by the time you buy the haldex pump and ram. Just buy a rear and add a steer when the funds come through............ __________________ 94' Toyota LQ4/Atlas/Tons Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-04-2009, 10:12 PM	#4
jimmyeatworld Trail guide Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: amarillo Posts: 302	I get around good without rear steer on 49's jimmy Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-04-2009, 10:37 PM	#5
MUDDSLINGER Wheels 4 Food Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: League City Posts: 3,552	See, it can be done. Just keep your wheel base to a managable length. __________________ Daryl's A/C & Heating- Owner Serving all of the Houston area 832 277 8944 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-05-2009, 12:53 PM	#6
Bunker Buster Gonzo Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Blue Ridge, Tx Posts: 2,375	Just what I wanted to hear! Now to find a set of rocks and tires. I'm thinking coil springs with the tried and true one link. Thanks! __________________ Fawker Fab 3 seater Buggy - Buster II 498 Stroker BBC/pane/465/Fawker Fab Doubler/One Tons/Detroits/Chromos/Longfields/16" FOA Coilovers/18" air shocks/one link/three link/42" PBR's and lots of throttle. When all else fails, give it hell. Push it to the Limit with RevLimit Off Road! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-05-2009, 01:00 PM	#7
Bruiser Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Diana, Texas Posts: 10,819	Ryan give redriver a try on the front. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-1-2...0213QQtcZphoto He sells rears too, but you can usually find them cheaper if you aren't in a hurry. __________________ 1985 Dodge Crew Cab Cummins--Full Resto Underway.... 2015 RAM ECODiesel--DD/Tow Rig Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-05-2009, 02:05 PM	#8
Bunker Buster Gonzo Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Blue Ridge, Tx Posts: 2,375	Yes, RR has a good price for the front. If I don't find a set locally, I'll hit them up. I found a rear for a decent price outside of Houston and one in OK for a good price. __________________ Fawker Fab 3 seater Buggy - Buster II 498 Stroker BBC/pane/465/Fawker Fab Doubler/One Tons/Detroits/Chromos/Longfields/16" FOA Coilovers/18" air shocks/one link/three link/42" PBR's and lots of throttle. When all else fails, give it hell. Push it to the Limit with RevLimit Off Road! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-05-2009, 02:54 PM	#9
Monstercrawler Gonzo Wheeler Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 2,537	I started off with out rear steer and it sucked big time. I was welded up front and rear so that hurt on the turning. With lockers front and back and cutting brakes I think you would be fine on the tight trails(big time money for lockers). Keep your wheel base down and stay off the tight trails. You've seen how mine does on the tight trails with rear steer but most of the white paint on the trees at Gilmer is from the PIG when it was white and didn't have rear steer. You could always lock out the rear steer axle until you are ready to buy the pump and what not. Flipping the hubs does help a little but not much. My brother in law has rear steer and he still had to have an ARB for the front after he drove mine a while. __________________ 3' of ZUKI Frame 1.3 liter tire shredder suckin pane stock trans, 6.5 to 1 TC Toy axles 5.29 stuffed with longs Front coils, Rear SAW airshocks 3 link front 1 link rear Lots of freaking tubing 39.5 Isuks Made in Japan, BUILT in TEXAS “Don’t talk it unless you can take the repercussions of walking it” The Rock God http://www.kryptonitekustoms.com/default.asp Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-05-2009, 03:21 PM	#10
RamRock Flex Master Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Montgomery,TX Posts: 1,332	Rear steer only needed if you get a huge long rig. Ive been wheeling mine for the four year now with no rearsteer. My hubs are flipping in the i also have my knuckle flipped to were the tierod is in front of the axle. So i got super funky acrman. So ive learned to burp the throdle and my front kinda jumps around corners. best thing to have a is detroit in the front. best money i spent. A arb is a joke. its note going to let your rig turn any shaper. hey look around the lufkin area. or ask robert on here with the full size chrvy on rocks. lots of mub guys in that area. I got my new rear for $150. And you can use the drum centers or backing plate as a wheel center if you want to go super cheap. __________________ ____________________________ 01 RAM 24v Krawlerhauler 97 RAM 4x4 7'in 318/nv4500/231hd 85 Truggy 42"s, Rockwell's, 4.3-th350-Doubler Pics Link Texasoffroad.net/galleries/lonestar/RAMROCK Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-05-2009, 05:35 PM	#11
Rebelrider Gonzo Wheeler Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vidor,TX Posts: 2,892	Even if you have to start out without rear-steer, you will always have a spare chunk when you upgrade later. __________________ 94' Toyota LQ4/Atlas/Tons Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-05-2009, 07:00 PM	#12
Bunker Buster Gonzo Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Blue Ridge, Tx Posts: 2,375	I know I will want rear steer. I'm still thinking about yours Chris. Like you said, I could always lock the rear out until I can round up the pump, ram, etc... __________________ Fawker Fab 3 seater Buggy - Buster II 498 Stroker BBC/pane/465/Fawker Fab Doubler/One Tons/Detroits/Chromos/Longfields/16" FOA Coilovers/18" air shocks/one link/three link/42" PBR's and lots of throttle. When all else fails, give it hell. Push it to the Limit with RevLimit Off Road! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-05-2009, 07:25 PM	#15
Donuts1 Gonzo Wheeler Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Carthage Posts: 2,632	Rear steer isn't a must, but I absolutely loved mine back when I had it. I've been tossing around the idea of rear steer on my zuki for a little bit now. Actually now that I think about it, the zuki is my first rig to not have rear steer....man, I've got to get rear steer back! I think I'm having withdraws...LOL! __________________ Home of the occasional squirrel like energy and sometimes lucky fab porn! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-06-2009, 05:38 PM	#17
moneypit Trail Blazer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: mckinnney tx Posts: 466	Just keep it short remember the first time at gilmer when mine wouldnt work. Thats why all the trails are wider now. __________________ The internet is an evil evil tool ! SPEED KILLS buy a ford Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-06-2009, 06:59 PM	#18
RamRock Flex Master Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Montgomery,TX Posts: 1,332	Ive drive my rig alot with the drive flanges removed and it still didnt turn any better. it because you cant get much angle out of the steering because the knuckles hit. Ive ground my knuckle and shaft to get alittle more angle out of them. Front digs are the best way to get them turned. Acouple guys from houston i run with drive around i front dig intell they need the rears pulling. __________________ ____________________________ 01 RAM 24v Krawlerhauler 97 RAM 4x4 7'in 318/nv4500/231hd 85 Truggy 42"s, Rockwell's, 4.3-th350-Doubler Pics Link Texasoffroad.net/galleries/lonestar/RAMROCK Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-06-2009, 10:26 PM	#24
87zuk Flex Master Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Princeton Posts: 1,372	Sure it did Chris. You need to check it out. It sure gets stuck a lot. Maybe it is just a bad cable. My opinion is it is just a real heavy foot. When we going to pick up your Rocks Ryan? If you hurry you can have them done by april. __________________ 87 Sammy Jeep 4 banger, 420-300, Wagoneer Dana 44 Axles, 5.89 Gears with spiders front and rear, Custom cage, J10 front springs, four-link with quarter elliptical springs in the rear, 36 inch Goodyears with H-1wheels, stretched the wheelbase Homemade buggy on ROCKS and one link w/coilovers, four-wheel steer, 350-465-3.8 ATLAS still need to get the skins done but decided to take a break from working on it all the time and wheel it. 84 K5 Finally back on the road. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

02-06-2009, 10:29 PM	#25
87zuk Flex Master Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Princeton Posts: 1,372	Like Chris said being able to do front digs is a huge help. I drive my zuki all the time in front only on tight trails and use 4wheel when I need it. Makes turning a breeze. It also make you that much better at changing axle u-joints on d44s too. __________________ 87 Sammy Jeep 4 banger, 420-300, Wagoneer Dana 44 Axles, 5.89 Gears with spiders front and rear, Custom cage, J10 front springs, four-link with quarter elliptical springs in the rear, 36 inch Goodyears with H-1wheels, stretched the wheelbase Homemade buggy on ROCKS and one link w/coilovers, four-wheel steer, 350-465-3.8 ATLAS still need to get the skins done but decided to take a break from working on it all the time and wheel it. 84 K5 Finally back on the road. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook

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