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Old 07-14-2011, 02:29 PM   #1
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Loss of power on incline/decline and spudder/backfiring issues

I'm pretty new here, but I'm hoping someone can help me out with an issue or at least point me in the right direction.

I drive a 1990 Toyota Pickup, 4x4, 3.0L, 5 speed with about 161,000 on the odometer. I was driving up to Hidden Falls this past weekend and on the hills on 281, it started backfiring and spuddering a lot with an immediate loss of power/speed. I noticed it mainly did it when I was either going uphill or going downhill and would occassionally do it on flat road after ascending or descending. For the most part, when the road was flat, I could drive the normal speed. Some of the small hills, I couldn't gain or maintain any speed and would be climbing them at 40mph when the speed limit was 70mph though.

Possibly related or not, about 2 weeks ago, I noticed an immedate loss in MPG from 15MPG down to 11MPG. Also, there is a smell of gas when I drive it. I haven't noticed any fuel leak though.

I've only had the truck for about 2 months now. Since I bought it, I've replaced the cap and rotor, all the plugs and wires, changed the oil to synthetic, replaced the fuel filter and cleaned out the K&N air filter.

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maybe injector issue and check compression. recheck plugs since trip to see how they look now---- i would check for oil or gas fouled plugs and gap and firing order as well! also check for vac. leaks!! hope this helps!

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I wonder if it's the notorious 3.0 head gasket issue...
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Had a friends yota do something similar but while offroading. Turned out his fuel pump came lose in the tank and was going all over the place. Doubt this is your problem but you never know.
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I wonder if it's the notorious 3.0 head gasket issue...
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Had a friends yota do something similar but while offroading. Turned out his fuel pump came lose in the tank and was going all over the place. Doubt this is your problem but you never know.
I was thinking the same thing.

I'm fairly inexperienced in mechanics aside from general maintenance and take off/replace type stuff. I'm really hoping it's something I can do myself. I've been in a bad mood all this week because of this.

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If you want to check the pump it's not a hard job. There should be an access panel in the floor by the back seat that unscrews and gives you a clear view of the sender for the tank. My dad changed out his pump on his 4runner and he has no business even owning tools. Hope you figure it out.
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Check the 02 sensor and see if the catalytic converter is plugged.
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If you want to check the pump it's not a hard job. There should be an access panel in the floor by the back seat that unscrews and gives you a clear view of the sender for the tank. My dad changed out his pump on his 4runner and he has no business even owning tools. Hope you figure it out.
My pump is inside of the tank. I'll have to drop the tank to get to it. It's a single cab too, so no back seat panel. I'm thinking of taking it to the base hobby shop this weekend to see if they'll let me drop the tank on the lift.

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Check the 02 sensor and see if the catalytic converter is plugged.
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I just changed out the o2 sensor when I first got it. I'm not sure if the catalytic converter has been gutted or not. Kinda sounds like it though.
The ignition coil is new and the igniter is from another truck I pulled it off at Pick N Pull. Damn things cost me over $100 and turns out I didn't need them and couldn't return them.

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Shawn,

Toyota did a recall on this and replaced both the head gaskets and all timing parts. You can call Toyota to see if the recall was ever performed on your truck. If
not, Toyota will do it for free.
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I have heard stories of people cleaning their K&n filters and over oiling them causing any sensors in between the filter and intake to be soaked and possibly ruined. just an idea and good luck!
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Toyota did a recall on this and replaced both the head gaskets and all timing parts. You can call Toyota to see if the recall was ever performed on your truck. If
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I ran a VIN check that I found (on this site, I believe). The only recall that came back says:

Certain 1989 - 1995 Truck 4WD, 1990 - 1995 4Runner 2WD And 4WD, And 1993 - 1998 T100 (4WD Vehicles Equipped With Power Steering) Steering Relay Rod Replacement

Do you know where I could find the information on the head gaskets and timing?

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I found something on this, but nothing official. I'll call the dealership tomorrow to see if I can get it done.

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I have heard stories of people cleaning their K&n filters and over oiling them causing any sensors in between the filter and intake to be soaked and possibly ruined. just an idea and good luck!
I did the cleaner and oil on the K&N filter and I thought I was careful not to over oil it. Do you know of anyway I could find out if I over oiled it?
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I would think a head gasket would be a full time problem not an intermediate one but who knows. My vote is fuel. :shrugsholder:
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I would think a head gasket would be a full time problem not an intermediate one but who knows. My vote is fuel. :shrugsholder:
I agree, but my opinion is completely a hunch. I'm definitely not a mechanic and this truck is the first one I've ever owned where I had to get my hands dirty with.

I dropped the gas tank and took the pump out. It was still bolted in securely and everything was hooked up properly. The guy at Auto Zone said that it could be an issue with pressure coming out of the pump, since it IS still pumping. But on the incline/decline, it may not be sending enough fuel to the rail. That makes sense, and hopefully is it. If not, I'll move the next idea.

I'm headed to Pick N Pull tomorrow morning to see if they have anything that'll work. I'm not going to pay full price if I don't even know if that's the problem.

Any other ideas of what it could be?
I couldn't call the Toyota dealership today...I had "mandatory fun" to go to...Damn Air Force being able to tell you what you're going to spend your Saturday doing...
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Before you go through a lot of work changing stuff, put a fuel presser gage on the system. Some systems have a port others you have to tap into the line. Check that out to get a positive look at what's is going on. Until you know for sure what the fuel pressure is doing you can't fix anything unless you blindly stumble on something.

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Before you go through a lot of work changing stuff, put a fuel presser gage on the system. Some systems have a port others you have to tap into the line. Check that out to get a positive look at what's is going on. Until you know for sure what the fuel pressure is doing you can't fix anything unless you blindly stumble on something.

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I'm just pretty dam sure it's still an all volunteer force. If you don't like it get out, or quit complaining!

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Thanks for the advice.

I fully understand it's an all-volunteer force. You can't tell me that you never once complained about being made to go do something that you didn't want to do. I am an MTI, one of the toughest and least sought after special duties in the Air Force because of the long hours and the constant pressure for perfection. I've given up quite a bit to make sure the Air Force is replenished with Airmen. Don't preach to me about Service; trust me, I understand Service.
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I'm crossing my fingers, but I may have the problem fixed. The strainer the was attached to my pump was coming off of the bracket in several places. I bought a new strainer without the new pump against the advice of the Auto Zone manager. So I replaced that, and the vacuum hose and fuel hose running into the pressure regulator. Took me about 2 hours myself to do it all and put the tank back on. It probably shouldn't have taken that long, but it was my first time messing with it.

Once I got it all hooked back up, it fired right up. I drove it around and it didn't have any of the previous symptoms.

So my fingers are crossed that that fixed it. We'll see. Thanks for the input everyone!
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I'm crossing my fingers, but I may have the problem fixed. The strainer the was attached to my pump was coming off of the bracket in several places. I bought a new strainer without the new pump against the advice of the Auto Zone manager. So I replaced that, and the vacuum hose and fuel hose running into the pressure regulator. Took me about 2 hours myself to do it all and put the tank back on. It probably shouldn't have taken that long, but it was my first time messing with it.

Once I got it all hooked back up, it fired right up. I drove it around and it didn't have any of the previous symptoms.

So my fingers are crossed that that fixed it. We'll see. Thanks for the input everyone!
Well, it's definitely not fixed. It was a rough ride to work yesterday and then on the way home, I had to pull off of the highway twice and finally on the 3rd time, I couldn't keep the truck running, so I had to get a tow. I think it's time to take it to Toyota. I could go in fixing all the things that "could" be wrong with it, if money were no object. The service guy at Toyota told me yesterday that it's a $95 flat diagnostic fee until they find the problem.
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