Is being the best mudder or the best climber really that important? Which is harder on your equipment? Will one rig really excell at both? Why not just drive through the woods, creeks and over the hills? Why go on trails that only one out of five or ten can make without tearing stuff up? There must be an adrenaline rush that I just never experienced. Maybe I just grew up so poor that I hated to tear my stuff up, because you had to walk when you broke down. Maybe I was like that ol' boy on BBS that only had two friends when he was growing up--both imaginary and would only play with each other. I had no close neighbors, no phones, and being broke down brings back absolutely no good memories. It confuses me that people spend hours to go over an obstacle that is easily bypassed. I understand having to cross the muddy creek and climb a reasonable hill, but I just don't get the extreme. Just grew up in the wrong environment maybe, had enough thrills in my younger days, or maybe I had just rather do more sane things. I am not putting anyone down---I just don't get it. jamminzz