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Old 06-04-2011, 03:57 PM   #1
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WTB: ar-15 parts

trying to decide if i want to build one or buy one off the shelf. lemme know what you got? uppers/lowers, grips, rails, whatever, thanks!
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:14 PM   #2
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Build it. WAY cheaper. Bravo Co for upper, Sun Devil billet lower from Ranier arms. Get the rest of it from either one of those. DONE.
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Old 06-06-2011, 04:40 PM   #3
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i'll check them out, i've looked at stuff from dpms, delton, daniels arms, and several other places online. just seeing if i can find any stealsofdeals from here, thanks!!
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you can get a whole one from panther for like 699.
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Best bang for your buck is Spike's Tactical. Brand new, TRUE mil-spec(like Colts), mid-length 5.56 for $810. Stay away from Delton & Olympia.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:50 PM   #6
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i heard decent to good things about delton??? and bad things about olympia, a firing pin that would randomly fall out.

i've also found a rock river complete rifle for $850
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Rock River is a good gun.
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i want to stick to .223 instead of 5.56
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In the 1950's, the US military adopted the metric system of measurement and uses metric measurements to describe ammo. However, the US commercial ammo market typically used the English "caliber" measurements when describing ammo. "Caliber" is a shorthand way of saying "hundredths (or thousandths) of an inch." For example, a fifty caliber projectile is approximately fifty one-hundredths (.50) of an inch and a 357 caliber projectile is approximately three-hundred and fifty-seven thousandths (.357) of an inch. Dimensionally, 5.56 and .223 ammo are identical, though military 5.56 ammo is typically loaded to higher pressures and velocities than commercial ammo and may, in guns with extremely tight "match" .223 chambers, be unsafe to fire.

The chambers for .223 and 5.56 weapons are not the same either. Though the AR15 design provides an extremely strong action, high pressure signs on the brass and primers, extraction failures and cycling problems may be seen when firing hot 5.56 ammo in .223-chambered rifles. Military M16s and AR15s from Colt, Bushmaster, FN, DPMS, and some others, have the M16-spec chamber and should have no trouble firing hot 5.56 ammunition.

Military M16s have slightly more headspace and have a longer throat area, compared to the SAAMI .223 chamber spec, which was originally designed for bolt-action rifles. Commercial SAAMI-specification .223 chambers have a much shorter throat or leade and less freebore than the military chamber. Shooting 5.56 Mil-Spec ammo in a SAAMI-specification chamber can increase pressure dramatically, up to an additional 15,000 psi or more.

The military chamber is often referred to as a "5.56 NATO" chamber, as that is what is usually stamped on military barrels. Some commercial AR manufacturers use the tighter ".223" (i.e., SAAMI-spec and often labeled ".223" or ".223 Remington") chamber, which provides for increased accuracy but, in self-loading rifles, less cycling reliability, especially with hot-loaded military ammo. A few AR manufacturers use an in-between chamber spec, such as the Wylde chamber. Many mis-mark their barrels too, which further complicates things. You can generally tell what sort of chamber you are dealing with by the markings, if any, on the barrel, but always check with the manufacturer to be sure.

Typical Colt Mil-Spec-type markings: C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7

Typical Bushmaster markings: B MP 5.56 NATO 1/9 HBAR

DPMS marks their barrels ".223", though they actually have 5.56 chambers.

Olympic Arms marks their barrels with "556", with some additionally marked "SS" or "SUM." This marking is used on all barrels, even older barrels that used .223 chambers and current target models that also use .223 chambers. Non-target barrels made since 2001 should have 5.56 chambers.

Armalite typically doesn't mark their barrels. A2 and A4 models had .223 chambers until mid-2001, and have used 5.56 chambers since. The (t) models use .223 match chambers.

Rock River Arms uses the Wylde chamber specs on most rifles, and does not mark their barrels.

Most other AR manufacturers' barrels are unmarked, and chamber dimensions are unknown.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:10 PM   #11
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Your better off w/5.56. That way you can shoot 5.56 & .223. If it's chambered for .223 you can't use 5.56. That cuts down on a TON of ammo that you won't be able to shoot, especially the cheaper rounds.
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Your better off w/5.56. That way you can shoot 5.56 & .223. If it's chambered for .223 you can't use 5.56. That cuts down on a TON of ammo that you won't be able to shoot, especially the cheaper rounds.
BS! I have shot both out of my DPMS .223 branded evil black rifle. No difference in performance other than the standard 5.56 "nato" round is a heavier bullet being that it is 62 grains as opposed to the the Remington 55 grain round. AKA you have to re dope your sights to compensate for the heavier bullet. They both interchange same round just a different method of measurement.

Say what you want to disprove it but wets running through the brush to get the he!! out of dodge do not care if it is a 5.56 or .223.

If you are looking for the best rifle though go with Armalite or McMillan hands down. There is more up front cost to them but they last and are cheaper in the long run.

The last thing anyone should want is a "cheap" firearm that could fail them when they need it most.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:49 AM   #13
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true. i'm leaning towards the rra.
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BS! I have shot both out of my DPMS .223 branded evil black rifle. No difference in performance other than the standard 5.56 "nato" round is a heavier bullet being that it is 62 grains as opposed to the the Remington 55 grain round. AKA you have to re dope your sights to compensate for the heavier bullet. They both interchange same round just a different method of measurement.

Say what you want to disprove it but wets running through the brush to get the he!! out of dodge do not care if it is a 5.56 or .223.

If you are looking for the best rifle though go with Armalite or McMillan hands down. There is more up front cost to them but they last and are cheaper in the long run.

The last thing anyone should want is a "cheap" firearm that could fail them when they need it most.
Armalite's crap & your pushing your luck using 5.56 in a .223.
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:33 PM   #15
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anybody got anything? rock river arms or stag arms are what i'm looking for. complete uppers or lowers. thanks.
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Old 07-23-2011, 04:31 PM   #16
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Sorry to bear bad news...

Yeah, You shouldnt be shooting 5.56 out of your .223 calibered rifle...Its a no go..There is a headspacing issue with the round inside your barrel causing increased chamber pressure...Its called "LEADE"....You have the potential of premamturely tearing up the throat of your rifle...Just get the 5.56 chamber gun as said above...
Heres is an article to read that better explains the problem...
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu...5.56-explained
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:43 PM   #17
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i have a complete upper now, just need lower parts.
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:42 PM   #18
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On the 5.56 vs. 223 chamber debate, If the rifle is a blaster and you're not concerned about pinpoint accuracy at 400 yards, go with the 5.56 chamber.

If I intend to shoot prairie dog with the thing, I'll take the .223 chamber over the 5.56 all day long and twice on Sunday.

Here's my reasoning,

I reload my own ammo especially for shoot prairie dogs. Your Over all length is determined by the magazine in every AR I have loaded for. A .223 round has a short leade compared to the 5.56 chamber so this way I can seat the bullet so it just fits the mag and be damn near touching the rifling in the chamber with the Ogive of the projectile. This is an accuracy advantage most of the time.

Kinda depends on what you want to do with the rifle. A kick around rifle, give me the 5.56 chamber.
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i have a complete upper now, just need lower parts.
If you want to save some money buy a Plum Crazy complete lower. A buddy in my office is a FFL and has sold about 30 of the lowers. They work great and the trigger is much better than most box stock AR triggers. I am not taking one to war but they work fine for everything else.

I have a few AR's and have sold 4 or 5 that I built over the years. I have one higher end billet gun (Rainier supplied the parts), one mild built M4 (Rainer supplied parts mostly) and a plum crazy "truck gun"(JSE Surplus upper). I also have few Plum Crazy lowers in the safe. Like them all. I am going to do some more stuff to the billet gun and building a piston gun next. In my experience there are two kinds of AR owners, those that buy a gun and shoot it and like it, and those that buy one and are never quite satisfied so they just keep building more and trying new parts to get the right rifle only to realize that you need about 4 AR's to get the right gun. It is kind of an obsession for me, one of these days I will get burned out and decide that what I have is good enough, and move on to another obsession. I am putting blackout's and breakout's on all mine now
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